1 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:10,630 [Music] 2 00:00:29,070 --> 00:00:24,970 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:34,990 --> 00:00:29,080 standard of paranormal radio now here's 4 00:00:36,850 --> 00:00:35,000 gene Stein okay let me put this question 5 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:36,860 to you ladies and gentlemen is it 6 00:00:45,220 --> 00:00:39,110 appropriate for your friendly para cast 7 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:45,230 hopes to giggle or to land oh no no we 8 00:00:51,670 --> 00:00:47,690 should be Mike Wallace Morley Safer 9 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:51,680 serious no laughing of course if I sat 10 00:00:55,660 --> 00:00:54,110 in front of Fox News it would be very 11 00:00:58,799 --> 00:00:55,670 difficult for me not to giggle and laugh 12 00:01:01,240 --> 00:00:58,809 or it'd be very difficult for me to 13 00:01:02,710 --> 00:01:01,250 giggle and laugh well you see what's 14 00:01:05,290 --> 00:01:02,720 going to happen now is people out there 15 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:05,300 who like Fox News are going to write in 16 00:01:10,810 --> 00:01:08,450 say why would you laugh at Fox News well 17 00:01:13,930 --> 00:01:10,820 just you know you could put MSNBC in 18 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:13,940 there you know CNN whatever I mean to me 19 00:01:18,789 --> 00:01:16,310 it's all a giggle and a laugh or it is 20 00:01:20,770 --> 00:01:18,799 so deadly serious that it doesn't matter 21 00:01:22,210 --> 00:01:20,780 how much he giggling laughs all right 22 00:01:25,260 --> 00:01:22,220 I'll drink to that 23 00:01:28,929 --> 00:01:25,270 but let's start off where this began 24 00:01:30,730 --> 00:01:28,939 okay seems that somebody felt that when 25 00:01:33,609 --> 00:01:30,740 we were talking during our listener 26 00:01:36,849 --> 00:01:33,619 roundtable last week about the possible 27 00:01:39,670 --> 00:01:36,859 et explanation for UFOs we giggled and 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:39,680 we laughed did we no I don't recall that 29 00:01:46,330 --> 00:01:44,210 actually um maybe so is it funny well I 30 00:01:50,410 --> 00:01:46,340 think it's actually kind of tragic the 31 00:01:52,749 --> 00:01:50,420 way the ET hypothesis has kind of run 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:52,759 roughshod over creative thinking well 33 00:01:56,620 --> 00:01:55,130 that to me is actually tragic I think 34 00:02:00,459 --> 00:01:56,630 part of the problem here is that 35 00:02:02,469 --> 00:02:00,469 whenever you talk to anybody about UFOs 36 00:02:05,739 --> 00:02:02,479 who's not really deeply involved in the 37 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:05,749 field they'll say oh you believe in 38 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:09,500 spaceships it's like they go together 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:13,510 UFOs must be spaceships if UFOs are real 40 00:02:20,170 --> 00:02:17,690 well here we are and there you go I mean 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:20,180 what you know we can't prove anything 42 00:02:24,790 --> 00:02:22,010 except that we are dealing with the real 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:24,800 mystery other than that there is no 44 00:02:30,130 --> 00:02:28,370 slam-dunk evidence to suggest who the 45 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:30,140 pilots are where they come from why 46 00:02:33,310 --> 00:02:31,250 they're here 47 00:02:35,490 --> 00:02:33,320 you know how they're we know a little 48 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:35,500 bit about the technology I would hope 49 00:02:42,070 --> 00:02:39,770 but you know the jury's out gene I mean 50 00:02:43,930 --> 00:02:42,080 that's that's the bottom line that's you 51 00:02:46,180 --> 00:02:43,940 know dead serious I'm not gonna giggle 52 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:46,190 or laugh about that the jury is still 53 00:02:51,340 --> 00:02:48,890 out and until the jury comes up with 54 00:02:55,180 --> 00:02:51,350 something slam dunk I mean what what 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:55,190 more can can we do except analyze the 56 00:03:01,780 --> 00:02:58,010 data I guess I think part of the problem 57 00:03:04,540 --> 00:03:01,790 here is that too many assumptions being 58 00:03:07,090 --> 00:03:04,550 made when it comes to UFO research and 59 00:03:11,050 --> 00:03:07,100 that's the beginning and end of it so as 60 00:03:14,890 --> 00:03:11,060 I said UFOs are akin to spaceships 61 00:03:17,410 --> 00:03:14,900 whereas UFOs means unidentified flying 62 00:03:19,420 --> 00:03:17,420 objects they're not identified and 63 00:03:22,210 --> 00:03:19,430 they're flying we don't know what they 64 00:03:24,250 --> 00:03:22,220 are if we knew what they were they'd be 65 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:24,260 identified flying objects and maybe they 66 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:26,510 would be spaceships but just look at the 67 00:03:31,180 --> 00:03:29,390 definition of the word these words say 68 00:03:34,750 --> 00:03:31,190 it's identified we don't know what they 69 00:03:37,630 --> 00:03:34,760 are and the big problem here is if we're 70 00:03:41,949 --> 00:03:37,640 going to insist that scientists get in 71 00:03:44,140 --> 00:03:41,959 there and research UFOs we're going to 72 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:44,150 prejudge the results of what they're 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:46,370 going to find and if they decide it's 74 00:03:51,070 --> 00:03:47,930 not spaceships are you going to say it's 75 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:51,080 a whitewash well jury's out on that one 76 00:03:58,830 --> 00:03:55,040 too well this goes like for example to 77 00:04:03,190 --> 00:03:58,840 the theories about cattle mutilations so 78 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:03,200 some people think that et is mutilating 79 00:04:09,610 --> 00:04:07,610 our cattle why I don't know maybe they 80 00:04:11,410 --> 00:04:09,620 have nothing better to do so they come 81 00:04:15,310 --> 00:04:11,420 down and you know what we have nothing 82 00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:15,320 better to do and we don't have to return 83 00:04:20,349 --> 00:04:17,630 for shift change to go back to our home 84 00:04:23,890 --> 00:04:20,359 and Tau Ceti or something 85 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:23,900 so let's mutilate some cattle let's go 86 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:26,330 ahead and duck some humans I mean there 87 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:27,650 are some humans out there that I think 88 00:04:32,050 --> 00:04:29,690 should be abducted let's just abduct 89 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:32,060 Samuel how do we know that these aren't 90 00:04:38,380 --> 00:04:35,870 ETS coming for specialty dinners and 91 00:04:40,350 --> 00:04:38,390 these teams go down and harvest the 92 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:40,360 parts for lip and I stood and 93 00:04:45,910 --> 00:04:41,870 reproductive 94 00:04:47,350 --> 00:04:45,920 tract souffle and and they have these 95 00:04:49,690 --> 00:04:47,360 like very high price 96 00:04:52,090 --> 00:04:49,700 you know elitist dinners aboard their 97 00:04:55,660 --> 00:04:52,100 mother ships hovering somewhere between 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:55,670 Mars and Jupiter or whatever and and 99 00:04:59,980 --> 00:04:58,010 that this is all part of some sort of 100 00:05:03,790 --> 00:04:59,990 weird tourist trade 101 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:03,800 where you can go and get blue plate you 102 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:07,610 know prime choice reproductive tract 103 00:05:16,090 --> 00:05:12,530 dinners for a price okay so this way 104 00:05:20,350 --> 00:05:16,100 this is meat for the one percent amongst 105 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:20,360 the aliens hey that sounds it sounds as 106 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:23,300 plausible as occultists lurking around 107 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:27,050 in hoods and cloaks and carrying candles 108 00:05:34,090 --> 00:05:30,650 or the government monitoring the spread 109 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:34,100 of pathogens in the food chain or some 110 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:37,370 sort of weird ancient dimensional 111 00:05:42,370 --> 00:05:40,490 predator I mean they all have I think 112 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:42,380 the same amount of wait until you get 113 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:45,530 enough data to support one or more of 114 00:05:51,850 --> 00:05:48,290 those conclusions well when you get back 115 00:05:53,740 --> 00:05:51,860 to UFOs and spaceships the reason you 116 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:53,750 see that theory is it's a process of 117 00:05:56,980 --> 00:05:54,470 elimination 118 00:06:02,230 --> 00:05:56,990 it can't be conventional because they 119 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:02,240 fly too fast no they do right okay so 120 00:06:07,780 --> 00:06:05,210 therefore they seem to be metallic gene 121 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:07,790 oh god I left you're gonna have to cut 122 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:10,130 that you know what I'm not going to cut 123 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:14,930 it I am NOT going to cut that laughs if 124 00:06:19,510 --> 00:06:18,170 people object to Chris O'Brien laughing 125 00:06:21,670 --> 00:06:19,520 well they're going to have to put up 126 00:06:26,830 --> 00:06:21,680 with it because it will not cut it out 127 00:06:31,060 --> 00:06:26,840 sorry I wish I had a more manly left we 128 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:31,070 can always try the shadow laughs the 129 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:36,680 shadow knows Jesus pardon the best 130 00:06:41,020 --> 00:06:39,050 shadow love you like that Nick red 131 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:41,030 friend well yours is good gene but Nick 132 00:06:47,470 --> 00:06:43,970 red friend the I don't know I think he 133 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:47,480 really he hasn't nailed I think it's the 134 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:51,050 British influence it must be you know 135 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:53,210 what I what I did here with my iPhone 136 00:06:58,649 --> 00:06:54,849 this past week 137 00:07:00,869 --> 00:06:58,659 discovered a British male voice on there 138 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:00,879 so instead of having Siri I have a 139 00:07:05,579 --> 00:07:04,089 British male voice how's that you want 140 00:07:08,219 --> 00:07:05,589 to hear this okay here we go 141 00:07:12,169 --> 00:07:08,229 she should your wife Barbara be worried 142 00:07:21,809 --> 00:07:12,179 oh she might want to find out who it is 143 00:07:25,379 --> 00:07:21,819 who is this you like that huh truth to 144 00:07:26,820 --> 00:07:25,389 the rumor that Nick Redfern sat down to 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:26,830 do those recordings that's not his 146 00:07:36,779 --> 00:07:32,610 accent by the way I think we lost Chris 147 00:07:40,739 --> 00:07:36,789 I'm sitting here aghast oh that's what 148 00:07:42,239 --> 00:07:40,749 they call it yes I'm aghast we don't 149 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:42,249 want to talk about gas that gets time to 150 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:43,990 grisly well how about if we talk about 151 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:48,550 our guest we have guests yes we do two 152 00:07:53,369 --> 00:07:50,649 of them today actually and we have one 153 00:07:54,989 --> 00:07:53,379 who are separate even though they work 154 00:07:57,659 --> 00:07:54,999 together they will be here separately 155 00:07:59,879 --> 00:07:57,669 yeah I think this may be a first in the 156 00:08:01,589 --> 00:07:59,889 in the pair cast where we have two 157 00:08:05,659 --> 00:08:01,599 guests talking about the same subject 158 00:08:10,499 --> 00:08:05,669 but one after the other 159 00:08:12,779 --> 00:08:10,509 well the first guest is James Fox and he 160 00:08:15,149 --> 00:08:12,789 of course has done some really great 161 00:08:17,489 --> 00:08:15,159 work in terms of UFO oriented 162 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:17,499 documentaries unfortunately he was also 163 00:08:24,149 --> 00:08:20,289 part of that crazy TV show called 164 00:08:27,029 --> 00:08:24,159 chasing UFOs I don't think he'll ever 165 00:08:28,559 --> 00:08:27,039 live it down but we'll ask him about it 166 00:08:32,219 --> 00:08:28,569 whether he'll ever do anything like that 167 00:08:35,790 --> 00:08:32,229 again that's James Fox and he's working 168 00:08:38,069 --> 00:08:35,800 in partnership with Tracy Torme and 169 00:08:41,129 --> 00:08:38,079 Tracy Torme by the way those of you who 170 00:08:44,999 --> 00:08:41,139 are into jazz or music he's the son of 171 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:45,009 that other Torme but he's a movie 172 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:48,360 producer and a writer and I believe he 173 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:51,550 was one of the people responsible for 174 00:08:59,610 --> 00:08:54,910 creating the Star Trek holodeck in Star 175 00:09:05,490 --> 00:08:59,620 Trek next generation indeed in Dixon 176 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:05,500 hill okay so he is working on a new UFO 177 00:09:10,010 --> 00:09:07,050 documentary 178 00:09:12,770 --> 00:09:10,020 with James Fox and we're going to ask 179 00:09:14,390 --> 00:09:12,780 him the same question separately maybe 180 00:09:17,690 --> 00:09:14,400 under the theory that they will give us 181 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:17,700 different answers that would be 182 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:21,420 fascinating wouldn't it I can't wait 183 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:24,870 you can't know well they're probably 184 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:27,630 just around the corner lurking on the 185 00:09:34,130 --> 00:09:30,630 other side of their telephones James is 186 00:09:34,460 --> 00:09:34,140 Tracy will be on later okay I'll go for 187 00:09:37,970 --> 00:09:34,470 that 188 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:37,980 no laughter intended so coming up you'll 189 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:41,040 hear from James Fox you also hear in a 190 00:09:46,700 --> 00:09:43,790 separate interview from Tracy Torme 191 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:46,710 office and more coming up this week with 192 00:10:00,830 --> 00:09:59,480 first game attack of the rock ODEs and 193 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:00,840 it was a critically acclaimed success 194 00:10:04,730 --> 00:10:02,970 and now there is the coming of the 195 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:04,740 protectors a former military 196 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:07,050 intelligence man is contacted by a space 197 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:09,270 woman in a dream a dream that turns out 198 00:10:13,370 --> 00:10:11,850 to be a nightmare because evil forces on 199 00:10:14,120 --> 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Perik assed with gene and 296 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:27,220 chris movie producer james fox who has 297 00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:29,370 done some great documentaries on ufos 298 00:14:34,769 --> 00:14:32,440 returns and this is the first time we've 299 00:14:38,970 --> 00:14:34,779 talked to you on the air since you did 300 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:38,980 that certain TV reality show the one 301 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:40,930 that I can't seem to get far enough away 302 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:46,000 from right now we assume it never got 303 00:14:51,930 --> 00:14:49,410 picked up for a second season no no it 304 00:14:55,490 --> 00:14:51,940 you know there were there was a lot of 305 00:14:59,100 --> 00:14:55,500 there was an article that was published 306 00:15:00,810 --> 00:14:59,110 in Hobbiton post which got back to the 307 00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:00,820 executive producers at NatGeo 308 00:15:06,389 --> 00:15:02,680 which trickled down to the production 309 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:06,399 company in LA which needless to say they 310 00:15:11,010 --> 00:15:09,010 were less than happy about which created 311 00:15:15,090 --> 00:15:11,020 a lot of friction and frustration among 312 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:15,100 all parties and so you know the net geo 313 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:17,920 execs got wind of it all and it was kind 314 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:19,450 of kind of blew up in our face a little 315 00:15:23,730 --> 00:15:21,250 bit and it was it was a bit risky in 316 00:15:26,610 --> 00:15:23,740 terms of you know it's not that often 317 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:26,620 that one of the cast members or possibly 318 00:15:31,460 --> 00:15:28,930 two of the cast members badmouth their 319 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:31,470 own ship which was the case with us so 320 00:15:37,260 --> 00:15:35,050 both you and Ben James could hear while 321 00:15:38,610 --> 00:15:37,270 we back up here because we're kind of 322 00:15:39,810 --> 00:15:38,620 starting out in Chapter two and some 323 00:15:41,010 --> 00:15:39,820 other little listeners don't really 324 00:15:43,410 --> 00:15:41,020 understand where we're going 325 00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:43,420 okay Huffington Post does a piece about 326 00:15:49,620 --> 00:15:46,830 chasing UFOs tell us about the article 327 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:49,630 well I was responding to a chain of 328 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:53,200 criticism on a Facebook link I think it 329 00:15:57,930 --> 00:15:56,410 was Leslie Cain's page and I just 330 00:16:03,420 --> 00:15:57,940 basically said yeah you guys are right 331 00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:03,430 and it was a poorly produced trashy show 332 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:08,800 that it wasn't sold to us as that it was 333 00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:10,930 supposed to be a more serious obviously 334 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:12,399 there's there's always an element of 335 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:13,870 entertainment with anything you do for 336 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:16,450 television but it wasn't the show that 337 00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:18,520 they had sold us on and it took a turn 338 00:16:24,090 --> 00:16:21,760 for the worst in the field and and we 339 00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:24,100 were kind of powerless to change that so 340 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:26,800 we were expressing our frustration on 341 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,170 the Facebook page it got picked up and 342 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:31,839 and written about in a Hobbiton Post 343 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:35,470 article and and yeah I mean that it all 344 00:16:42,269 --> 00:16:39,370 sort of stemmed from that so of course 345 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:42,279 here that made your presence and one of 346 00:16:51,870 --> 00:16:45,550 your co-hosts presence untenable pretty 347 00:16:54,660 --> 00:16:51,880 much yeah remember I remember that the 348 00:16:57,780 --> 00:16:54,670 exact that Gio wanted to do a little bit 349 00:17:01,319 --> 00:16:57,790 of damage control and Bend who I was 350 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:01,329 amazed he sort of very eloquently put it 351 00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:03,040 like something like you know I'm not 352 00:17:07,980 --> 00:17:06,400 really inclined to do that and be I'm 353 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:07,990 not even sure I'm gonna be involved with 354 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:10,240 anything if it if it does move forward 355 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:13,030 to a second season I thought was a very 356 00:17:18,990 --> 00:17:15,730 bold remark that he made has to laugh 357 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:19,000 about it now but it was you know and the 358 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:20,530 production company they were they were 359 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:22,329 less than happy about the whole thing 360 00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:24,370 but you know I expressed my 361 00:17:29,790 --> 00:17:27,189 disappointment and and my the fact that 362 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:29,800 I was I was misled I mean obviously you 363 00:17:32,430 --> 00:17:30,910 know when you got in the field one 364 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:32,440 played along with it to a certain extent 365 00:17:35,730 --> 00:17:34,870 but it wasn't what we what we set out to 366 00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:35,740 do 367 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:40,960 think of getting rid of the hosts from 368 00:17:45,290 --> 00:17:42,850 season one and getting other people and 369 00:17:49,049 --> 00:17:45,300 trying it again or what you know I think 370 00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:49,059 it was kind of just too late it was like 371 00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:51,580 you know it was time to move on they 372 00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:52,840 just it wasn't 373 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:54,640 ever materialized into something that 374 00:18:00,690 --> 00:17:57,520 was it was worth putting our efforts 375 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:00,700 into so it was for the better have you 376 00:18:07,380 --> 00:18:03,730 heard of this new show that uses muffins 377 00:18:09,659 --> 00:18:07,390 name called hanger one I've heard of it 378 00:18:12,269 --> 00:18:09,669 I have yet to watch it so I don't know 379 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:12,279 I've heard about it I've seen some 380 00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:14,200 write-ups and Facebook and stuff like 381 00:18:18,899 --> 00:18:15,760 that but I've yet to watch it you know I 382 00:18:20,370 --> 00:18:18,909 don't have television I've Netflix you 383 00:18:21,690 --> 00:18:20,380 know obviously I have internet so it's 384 00:18:23,730 --> 00:18:21,700 not like I'm totally out of the loop but 385 00:18:25,139 --> 00:18:23,740 I don't I don't have television and to 386 00:18:26,909 --> 00:18:25,149 be honest with you I didn't even watch 387 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:26,919 all the shows that I was featured in 388 00:18:30,269 --> 00:18:28,990 NASA you guys I got the guy I think I 389 00:18:32,430 --> 00:18:30,279 watched a couple of them and there's 390 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:32,440 little pieces here and there of the 391 00:18:36,990 --> 00:18:34,570 other shows but yeah I didn't I didn't 392 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:37,000 even tune in well with the show that you 393 00:18:43,950 --> 00:18:40,840 did I saw the ones that were on is demo 394 00:18:47,180 --> 00:18:43,960 reel that the producers sent us that was 395 00:18:50,279 --> 00:18:47,190 it I tend not to watch reality shows 396 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:50,289 because their reality shows I just don't 397 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:53,049 get into them you know I just don't like 398 00:18:59,010 --> 00:18:56,020 the thing because of the fact that the 399 00:19:01,740 --> 00:18:59,020 word reality show has nothing to do with 400 00:19:04,380 --> 00:19:01,750 what's on those programs it's all a 401 00:19:05,340 --> 00:19:04,390 bunch of hot air if you're going to use 402 00:19:09,260 --> 00:19:05,350 the proper term 403 00:19:12,210 --> 00:19:09,270 it's designed to pretend to be reality 404 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:12,220 it's pretend reality it's not a real 405 00:19:17,610 --> 00:19:14,529 reality and this is true with any of 406 00:19:19,049 --> 00:19:17,620 these shows I've heard about so I've not 407 00:19:22,049 --> 00:19:19,059 watched hangar one and part of the 408 00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:22,059 reason is also that some of the things 409 00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,299 they've done are just blatant and I saw 410 00:19:31,049 --> 00:19:28,000 for example in the latest MUFON Journal 411 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:31,059 their monthly publication they barely 412 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:33,850 mention the show it earned one or two 413 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:36,130 sentences yeah one or two sentences you 414 00:19:41,370 --> 00:19:39,490 think I you're on national TV show isn't 415 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:41,380 this wonderful you have like a full-page 416 00:19:47,070 --> 00:19:43,510 ad or something you know all the 417 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:47,080 publicity on the planet No yeah oh and 418 00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,750 by the way yeah you know I you know I 419 00:19:56,130 --> 00:19:51,840 learned kind of the hard way you think 420 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:56,140 that you know because you're involved or 421 00:19:59,640 --> 00:19:57,730 someone that's really passionate about 422 00:20:01,410 --> 00:19:59,650 the subject is involved that things are 423 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:01,420 going to be different and you promise 424 00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:06,790 the moon and stars and and the the the 425 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:12,340 end result is is very far from the what 426 00:20:16,170 --> 00:20:13,810 was sold let's put it that way 427 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:16,180 but yeah you know I talked it up as 428 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:18,100 learning experience I got I got to 429 00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:19,810 travel around and make some new 430 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:21,940 connections and I got to go to South 431 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:24,160 America and and some of the research I 432 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:27,970 did while I was down there produced some 433 00:20:32,340 --> 00:20:30,130 amazing material for our new you know 434 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:32,350 project 701 so in that respect I'm 435 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:34,570 grateful and it was a learning 436 00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:37,450 experience what can I say will you ever 437 00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:41,350 do another UFO reality show I've learned 438 00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:46,480 never to say never but probably not you 439 00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:48,670 will be at the next MUFON symposium 440 00:20:55,230 --> 00:20:51,400 though I will I'm just finishing an 441 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:55,240 article that I had to write Jan hardened 442 00:20:59,790 --> 00:20:57,850 and and and Co want to be the you know 443 00:21:02,460 --> 00:20:59,800 been pressuring me to give a 444 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:02,470 presentation since by 2013 you know for 445 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:04,750 Congress presentation and I reluctantly 446 00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:06,730 agreed because I don't usually like to 447 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:08,500 do these kind of things I feel like my 448 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:10,900 time is much better off spent in the 449 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:13,570 field but but I did agree and then I 450 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:14,920 found out that I had to put together a 451 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:19,660 five ten page article on some of my what 452 00:21:23,610 --> 00:21:22,360 led up to what I'm doing today and I put 453 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:23,620 that together and funny enough he should 454 00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:25,590 mention it because I didn't even bother 455 00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:28,030 discussing at all my experience with 456 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:30,280 NASA Geographic somehow that just sort 457 00:21:34,050 --> 00:21:32,260 of seemed to split between the cracks I 458 00:21:34,580 --> 00:21:34,060 guess I I guess I kind of want it to go 459 00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:34,590 away 460 00:21:40,410 --> 00:21:38,200 out of sight out of mind so yeah you 461 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:40,420 know but live and learn I did notice 462 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:42,970 that if you go to MUFON this website 463 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:46,270 which is now called MUFON evolved they 464 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:50,910 do have a section on hangar 1 so oh 465 00:21:57,050 --> 00:21:54,400 there you go there's saying click here 466 00:21:59,130 --> 00:21:57,060 to tell us what you think of the show a 467 00:22:03,870 --> 00:21:59,140 little careful what you wish for 468 00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:03,880 yeah there are a lot of comments I can't 469 00:22:07,950 --> 00:22:06,340 believe some of these comments ok I 470 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:07,960 can't believe they're real they must be 471 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:09,610 I can't get 472 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:11,650 enough of this show it is well done I 473 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:14,049 would like to see more actual footage as 474 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:16,630 well and not just a quick glimpse I 475 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:18,730 can't get enough of the show these 476 00:22:23,970 --> 00:22:22,960 people are gluttons for punishment they 477 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:23,980 have to be 478 00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:25,570 we're not gladdens for punishment by the 479 00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:28,150 way we've got James Fox and later on 480 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:29,820 we'll be hearing from Tracy Torme 481 00:22:34,590 --> 00:22:32,049 separately not together just for 482 00:22:36,150 --> 00:22:34,600 logistical reasons and we're now going 483 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,160 to tell you with Gene and Chris you're 484 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:38,000 in Liberec 485 00:22:50,899 --> 00:22:47,250 [Music] 486 00:22:53,419 --> 00:22:50,909 great minds think alike the network for 487 00:23:00,620 --> 00:22:53,429 the independent funded Genesis 488 00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:00,630 communications network G C and is there 489 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,390 a secret UFO agenda to stranged 490 00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,520 creatures from the darkest corners of 491 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:07,860 the mind roam 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00:27:17,440 on the power cast with gene and Chris we 577 00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:20,530 have James Fox and he's involved in the 578 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:22,780 project with Tracy Torme that we might 579 00:27:28,350 --> 00:27:25,930 as well begin to talk about called 701 580 00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:28,360 now this is not like the sci-fi show 581 00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:31,240 called the 4400 well you know we liked 582 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:36,100 the ambiguity of the number 701 and you 583 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:37,870 know if you look at some of the previous 584 00:27:44,670 --> 00:27:41,170 titles of my films out of the blue I 585 00:27:47,370 --> 00:27:44,680 know what I saw it doesn't scream UFO 586 00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,380 but if you think about it it it it 587 00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:50,320 definitely is relevant and we were 588 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:53,860 toying around with film titles and one 589 00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,170 of our producers came up with 700 then 590 00:28:02,280 --> 00:27:59,100 we realized that the actual number of 591 00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:02,290 investigated UFO sightings from Project 592 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:04,600 Blue Book well it started off as project 593 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:06,550 sign and then project grudge and 594 00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:08,740 eventually project Bluebook out of 595 00:28:16,830 --> 00:28:13,240 12,000 618 cases investigated 701 596 00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:16,840 remained unexplained and so it's what 597 00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:19,320 the number of symbolizes that stubborn 598 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:23,820 5% of unintuitive encounters the 599 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,130 no matter how hard the Air Force tried 600 00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,320 was unable to provide a prosaic 601 00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:30,480 explanation so that's that's why we 602 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:33,750 chose the number 701 well you know James 603 00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:38,520 Chris here out of 701 cases now as a 604 00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:40,500 filmmaker obviously you're gonna have to 605 00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,900 win on this down we have a question from 606 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:44,760 one of our list of the longtime 607 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:47,750 listeners and active and active 608 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:49,650 participants have formed out the pair of 609 00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:53,100 cast comp earn state and he has of the 610 00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:55,980 many unsolved Bluebird cases which which 611 00:29:01,580 --> 00:28:58,860 of your top little-known cases and which 612 00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:01,590 ones are going to be focusing on well 613 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:02,750 that's the thing is we're not actually 614 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:05,670 go we're gonna go into you know the 615 00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,850 history we're covering the Kenneth 616 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:10,500 Arnold case we managed to get his 617 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:12,570 daughter Kim Arnold on camera for the 618 00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:15,570 first time and she went into vaults and 619 00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:18,360 and uncovered a lot of documentation and 620 00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:19,980 photographs and letters of 621 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:22,500 correspondence between her father and 622 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:24,810 the Air Force which I found out was was 623 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:27,480 extensive and so yeah we'll be covering 624 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:31,710 the 52 sightings and possibly a another 625 00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:34,050 case that happened and I think 50 52 or 626 00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:38,340 53 the Robertson panel but and and then 627 00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,950 one of the turning point cases I think 628 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:43,440 for dr. J Allen Hynek and it's a case 629 00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,750 that has been reported on but we found 630 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:47,580 particularly of interests for our 631 00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:49,250 project because it's the quintessential 632 00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:52,860 number of the 701 from the 701 number of 633 00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:55,140 of cases that was extremely difficult 634 00:29:59,740 --> 00:29:56,840 for the Air Force to provide a 635 00:30:02,840 --> 00:29:59,750 conventional explanation and that's the 636 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:02,850 1964 Socorro New Mexico case that 637 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:05,610 involved police officer Lonnie Zamora so 638 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:08,610 those cases are going to be featured but 639 00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:09,570 we're also featuring 640 00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:14,670 other cases post Project Blue Book so 641 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:17,340 it's just because the number 701 does 642 00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,870 represent the number of cases that were 643 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:20,640 unable to the Air Force was unable to 644 00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:22,860 explain it's not going to be a film 645 00:30:27,050 --> 00:30:24,990 about unexplained Air Force 646 00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:27,060 investigations it's more what that 647 00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:29,430 number symbolizes was that too much of a 648 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:32,580 mouthful actually I was just sent Gina 649 00:30:37,239 --> 00:30:34,970 have methods you take it 650 00:30:40,849 --> 00:30:37,249 you know we have a bunch of questions 651 00:30:44,659 --> 00:30:40,859 James from our listeners and I think the 652 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:44,669 best way really to start examining the 653 00:30:48,139 --> 00:30:46,529 project I think from our listeners point 654 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:48,149 of view is is give us a thumbnail sketch 655 00:30:54,619 --> 00:30:50,820 of how you and Tracy came up with the 656 00:30:57,229 --> 00:30:54,629 idea how the corroboration occurred and 657 00:31:00,109 --> 00:30:57,239 I think kind of set the stage for us 658 00:31:01,729 --> 00:31:00,119 because I know you're you're quite well 659 00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,739 along actually in the process of 660 00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,600 producing this of a future film 661 00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:05,940 basically in you know be great to give 662 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:08,129 some of our new listeners or people that 663 00:31:13,249 --> 00:31:09,600 aren't quite up to speed a little 664 00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:13,259 background well you know I I'm every 665 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:16,289 time I've produced a documentary film on 666 00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,570 the subject of UFOs at the end of the 667 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:20,159 production which is normally four to 668 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:21,090 five years 669 00:31:26,419 --> 00:31:23,850 I say unequivocally this is it this is 670 00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:26,429 the last time I ever do a UFO film I 671 00:31:31,129 --> 00:31:28,919 have other interests you know these sort 672 00:31:34,369 --> 00:31:31,139 of things you know and inevitably murder 673 00:31:38,919 --> 00:31:34,379 doesn't snag you honkey because you know 674 00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:38,929 but I when I finished out of the blue in 675 00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:41,940 2003 and it was picked up by 676 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:44,369 NBCUniversal and sci-fi channel 677 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:46,710 broadcast and I was having a dinner with 678 00:31:51,979 --> 00:31:49,769 one of the heads of Special Projects a 679 00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:51,989 guy named Larry Landsman and he said 680 00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:54,179 well you know we were just signed all 681 00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:56,580 the contracts and we sold the film we're 682 00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:59,100 all excited and he said Wow James is it 683 00:32:03,349 --> 00:32:00,539 great what's your next project and I 684 00:32:04,879 --> 00:32:03,359 said Larry I'm done making UFO films I 685 00:32:06,859 --> 00:32:04,889 have other interests you know he said no 686 00:32:10,849 --> 00:32:06,869 come on you must have something else 687 00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:10,859 brewing I said no this is so of course 688 00:32:14,299 --> 00:32:12,539 that came they came back to haunt me I 689 00:32:17,629 --> 00:32:14,309 ended up revisiting out of the blue and 690 00:32:19,159 --> 00:32:17,639 I realized in 2006 that NBC Universal 691 00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:19,169 was not going to renew its broadcast 692 00:32:25,399 --> 00:32:22,440 option and so I've decided to revisit 693 00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:25,409 out of the blue and fix the things that 694 00:32:31,009 --> 00:32:28,830 bothered me and just kind of revamp and 695 00:32:32,659 --> 00:32:31,019 revisit and follow up on some of the 696 00:32:35,479 --> 00:32:32,669 interviews I was unable at the time to 697 00:32:38,659 --> 00:32:35,489 get just because I ran out of time and 698 00:32:42,249 --> 00:32:38,669 effort and money and and we release it 699 00:32:45,019 --> 00:32:42,259 and that started so it ended in 2003 700 00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,029 fast forward three three years later in 701 00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:48,480 2006 I decided to revisit 702 00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:51,030 blue and that was always going to be I 703 00:32:54,409 --> 00:32:52,919 was just going to you know change some 704 00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:54,419 of the graphics add the music put some 705 00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:56,100 additional interviews in there that's 706 00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:58,380 when I did went after five Simonton of a 707 00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:00,299 former Governor of Arizona we all know 708 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:06,390 about him and that that process took 709 00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:07,830 about two years 710 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:10,470 you know never never as quick as one one 711 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:16,650 anticipates and at the end of that I was 712 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:20,610 approached from pretty well known agency 713 00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:22,890 in Hollywood and they said wow this this 714 00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:24,299 film is great you know and I just wanted 715 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:25,350 to get it I just want to get it out 716 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:25,770 there 717 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:27,570 I just wanted to release it and get it 718 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:29,850 out there but gosh you know if you could 719 00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:31,530 do this this and this you could really 720 00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:33,960 beat this thing up and I thought I just 721 00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:36,419 spent two years revisiting out of the 722 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:38,190 blue I really like it and it scared for 723 00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:40,370 him what are you talking about I'm done 724 00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:45,179 and but based on the advice that was 725 00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:46,710 given at the time I decided to keep 726 00:33:53,419 --> 00:33:50,700 pushing and a couple years later at the 727 00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:53,429 end of 2009 I know what I saw 728 00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:57,030 was born now I was if you guys want me 729 00:34:00,650 --> 00:33:58,380 to continue a little bit of the history 730 00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:00,660 here but uh you know I again was was 731 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:04,950 completely exhausted and done and my 732 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:07,620 intention when I revisited it out of the 733 00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:10,530 blue initially was to just fix the 734 00:34:14,090 --> 00:34:12,030 things that needed fixing and so I 735 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,100 thought back in 2003 and then we release 736 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:17,220 it but that evolved into a much larger 737 00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:21,810 production a much larger project and at 738 00:34:26,359 --> 00:34:24,149 that point I had decided that I really 739 00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:26,369 wanted to get something released in 740 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:28,679 Peters because I felt the platform for 741 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:31,250 television was limited in terms of 742 00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:35,850 viewers and so I really tried as hard as 743 00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:38,669 I could to produce a documentary feature 744 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:40,710 film for a worldwide theatrical release 745 00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:47,010 and when I know what I saw was born I 746 00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:50,460 fell short of that goal we we did sell 747 00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:53,399 it to Amy and did get the investment 748 00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,020 money back to my investors but that a 749 00:34:59,180 --> 00:34:57,540 lot more for myself and my hands are 750 00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,190 kind of tied and I had to let it go in 751 00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:01,920 late 2009 but in the back of my mom 752 00:35:07,549 --> 00:35:04,619 there was lingering sentiment of kind of 753 00:35:10,339 --> 00:35:07,559 kind of failed what I set out to do but 754 00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:10,349 again I was so exhausted I just really 755 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,579 wanted to set my sights on other 756 00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:14,160 projects and that we had the BP oil 757 00:35:17,809 --> 00:35:16,049 spill that occurred and I picked up my 758 00:35:20,059 --> 00:35:17,819 camera went to the Gulf race of money 759 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:20,069 and I did a film on the BP oil spill 760 00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:21,510 which I'm actually just signing now a 761 00:35:25,549 --> 00:35:25,020 distribution deal for called pretty 762 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:25,559 slick 763 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:28,890 yes derides Elaine saris oh thank you by 764 00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:32,130 the way thank you yeah so during the end 765 00:35:38,299 --> 00:35:33,420 of the production of that film I think 766 00:35:40,339 --> 00:35:38,309 it was like 2012 a late 2012 I was out 767 00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:40,349 of the blue had a phone call from Tracy 768 00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:41,099 Torme 769 00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:42,750 who's a really pretty well-known 770 00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:44,700 established Hollywood scriptwriter and 771 00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:47,880 he had just seen a reared version of I 772 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:48,900 know what I saw on the History Channel 773 00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,450 it was very impressed and he said you 774 00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,480 know James was really impressed with 775 00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:56,880 your work and I wasn't going to come 776 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,420 back to the UFO topic at all but after 777 00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:02,460 seeing your movie and reading Leslie 778 00:36:07,309 --> 00:36:04,980 Cain's book I decided that you know I'd 779 00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:07,319 like to revisit this topic and then I'm 780 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:09,630 considering producing the seminal 781 00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:11,970 documentary feature film for a worldwide 782 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:15,740 - release well of course that you know 783 00:36:21,789 --> 00:36:17,910 was something that I've always wanted to 784 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:21,799 accomplish and film made my whole yeah 785 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:25,470 multiple attempts so I opted long story 786 00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:30,720 short - to collaborate with him and that 787 00:36:33,339 --> 00:36:33,000 was the birth of 7:01 I'll tell you what 788 00:36:37,450 --> 00:36:33,349 we 789 00:36:39,759 --> 00:36:37,460 process that's going to get chronic 790 00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:39,769 grizzly isn't it James Fox joins gene 791 00:36:50,469 --> 00:36:48,470 and Chris you're in not just an 792 00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:50,479 alternative to the mainstream media 793 00:36:54,309 --> 00:36:53,660 we're the premier independent talk radio 794 00:36:59,620 --> 00:36:54,319 network 795 00:37:01,359 --> 00:36:59,630 we are G C n attack of the rock AIDS has 796 00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:01,369 been well-received by critics and 797 00:37:06,249 --> 00:37:03,140 readers alike it's a 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again I don't want to get 903 00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:45,779 involved in the UFO subject you know 904 00:41:50,359 --> 00:41:48,390 professionally I mean he's been pretty 905 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:50,369 vocal about that for quite a quite a 906 00:41:56,299 --> 00:41:52,650 while so it's quite a testament to your 907 00:41:59,960 --> 00:41:56,309 to your you know the inspiration that 908 00:42:02,299 --> 00:41:59,970 came through your piece to get Tracy to 909 00:42:05,029 --> 00:42:02,309 go back on something that you've also 910 00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,039 done a couple of times and and and to 911 00:42:09,380 --> 00:42:07,380 suggest a collaboration I think it's 912 00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:09,390 great and I couldn't think of better 913 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:12,119 suited person people to do this well you 914 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:14,130 know I told Tracy I said you know early 915 00:42:19,579 --> 00:42:17,490 on Tracy had shared with me some health 916 00:42:21,289 --> 00:42:19,589 issues he's dealing with and and seeing 917 00:42:23,569 --> 00:42:21,299 things everything seems to be very 918 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:23,579 stable but I said look Tracy you'd be 919 00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:25,410 the brains let me be the bronze we'll 920 00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:27,990 get this thing done and so far that 921 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:30,119 seems to be exactly how it's how it's 922 00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:32,210 going down we've gotten 923 00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:36,680 probably I would say 85% of the 924 00:42:41,050 --> 00:42:39,140 documentary side granted there's still 925 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:41,060 some additional research into archival 926 00:42:44,349 --> 00:42:42,410 material that we're going after but for 927 00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,359 the most part I would say about 85% of 928 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:46,160 the documentary side of the film has 929 00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,050 been completed and been shot the 930 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:51,200 production values are by far and beyond 931 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:53,450 a shadow of doubt anything better than 932 00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:55,490 anything I've seen out there I just 933 00:42:59,470 --> 00:42:57,740 showed some clips to Leslie Kane and she 934 00:43:01,810 --> 00:42:59,480 was very very impressed with what we've 935 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:01,820 come up with so far you know granted 936 00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,650 I've said this before but there's 937 00:43:07,390 --> 00:43:05,359 additional research and stuff we need to 938 00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:07,400 go after but for the most part it's 939 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:10,300 going really really well well how much 940 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:13,490 actual recreations are you going to be 941 00:43:17,650 --> 00:43:15,410 doing and will they have like a voice 942 00:43:20,829 --> 00:43:17,660 over on top or are we gonna have real 943 00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:20,839 characters speaking actual lines I think 944 00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:23,780 that would be a better question to pose 945 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:27,020 to Tracy because he has he has come up 946 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:30,530 with what I think is a brilliant method 947 00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:33,530 of doing this and it's been a long hard 948 00:43:41,950 --> 00:43:37,160 struggle to come up with something fresh 949 00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:41,960 something new and something to a method 950 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:43,580 to deliver this film in a way that 951 00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:45,650 hasn't been done before and I think he'd 952 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:47,630 be a lot better qualified to talk to you 953 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:49,730 guys about that sounds very very often 954 00:43:56,109 --> 00:43:52,609 yeah I mean we had a lot of we had a lot 955 00:43:58,030 --> 00:43:56,119 of spirited debates on it and we've 956 00:44:00,339 --> 00:43:58,040 we've narrowed it down to what I think 957 00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:00,349 is going to be a very successful way of 958 00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:02,630 delivery so let's believe it that is 959 00:44:09,579 --> 00:44:05,839 this strictly going to focus on the key 960 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:09,589 cases among those 701 know I can 961 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:11,330 actually talk about some of the cases 962 00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:14,570 that we have zeroed it on one of which 963 00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:17,500 is the Ruiz and Bob Way incident I 964 00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:21,260 cannot tell you how hard I worked to to 965 00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:24,470 not only convince people with John 966 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:27,560 Mackay Institute Randall Nickerson who's 967 00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:29,690 been in charge of one of the archive 968 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:31,700 material that dr. John Mack went and 969 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:35,810 shot in 1994 Andrews and Bob what we we 970 00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:38,980 not only managed to license some of that 971 00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:44,089 amazing material but as well as contact 972 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:46,070 the witnesses today 973 00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:48,170 a that are now in their late 20s early 974 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:51,710 30s and flown them in from different 975 00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:52,700 parts of the world 976 00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:57,590 God Australia Canada England and and 977 00:45:01,720 --> 00:44:59,570 managed to get them have a reading 978 00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,730 reunion they hadn't discussed it all 979 00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:04,640 together in 20 years so that happened 980 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:07,820 and so we're doing that case we're also 981 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:11,090 doing the Virginia case we got back from 982 00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:15,650 Brazil in December of 2013 and I 983 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:19,430 remember forever it always says well you 984 00:45:22,510 --> 00:45:21,170 know good luck good luck going into the 985 00:45:23,860 --> 00:45:22,520 town of Virginia and getting any of 986 00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:23,870 those witnesses the talk there they're 987 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:25,630 done you know they've all been 988 00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:29,210 discouraged against it and and and but 989 00:45:36,610 --> 00:45:33,830 we organized a very small crew a very 990 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:36,620 discreet production we went in with 991 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:39,170 Canon 5d mark 3 that looked like normal 992 00:45:43,420 --> 00:45:41,210 cameras we rented tripods and lighting 993 00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:43,430 gear so we went in with a couple of 994 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:45,800 local producers on a couple of local 995 00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:48,170 Brazilians was a super local but 996 00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,790 relatively local and had established 997 00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:52,160 relations with some of these witnesses 998 00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:54,760 and we went in very very low profile and 999 00:45:59,110 --> 00:45:58,160 and we we got all the primary witnesses 1000 00:46:01,860 --> 00:45:59,120 on camera 1001 00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:01,870 we hired a one of the most amazing 1002 00:46:07,150 --> 00:46:04,760 photographers I've ever worked with this 1003 00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:07,160 guy David West who's done stuff for 1004 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:09,020 National Geographic he's a seasoned 1005 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:11,690 cinema photographer and the material we 1006 00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,210 came home with is just I mean it it's so 1007 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:16,160 beautiful the audio is perfect it's just 1008 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:19,250 it's the best production I've ever been 1009 00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:21,770 involved with so it's it's great what 1010 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:24,470 we're doing has blue post Blue Book 1011 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:26,570 cases that she just mentioned the 1012 00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:28,690 Zimbabwe case of course was the famous 1013 00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,310 incident where a craft landed occupants 1014 00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:34,640 were seen by by a quite a number of 1015 00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:38,030 young schoolchildren in Zimbabwe and 1016 00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:40,910 John Mack of course did quite a bit of 1017 00:46:45,850 --> 00:46:42,740 work on that case this is kind of a 1018 00:46:49,150 --> 00:46:45,860 cliff nail version for new listeners the 1019 00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:49,160 bar he Mia case is way up there are my 1020 00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:51,110 list of one of the most intriguing cases 1021 00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:53,750 probably of all time happened in Brazil 1022 00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,380 again this is about 20 of 21 years ago 1023 00:47:02,450 --> 00:47:01,020 that particular case I think is going to 1024 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:02,460 be very fascinating for a lot of 1025 00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:04,170 American viewers who are not really that 1026 00:47:10,070 --> 00:47:07,500 familiar with you know the complexities 1027 00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,080 of that particular unfolding series of 1028 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:12,060 events that were reported in Brazil yeah 1029 00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:14,130 the the Virginia case happened in 1030 00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:17,880 January of 1996 and the rulers of Bob 1031 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:23,880 ley case happened in in 1994 and very 1032 00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,730 little is known and so so it seems about 1033 00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:29,280 the ruler case I think that John Mac 1034 00:47:33,110 --> 00:47:31,590 probably had some plans with with all 1035 00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:33,120 the material that he'd shot and I think 1036 00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:35,670 there was one documentary that was done 1037 00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:38,940 by a British television company that 1038 00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:40,950 came out around that around that time 1039 00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:43,980 but other than that I would say most 1040 00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,350 Americans and even most UFO researchers 1041 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:48,900 know very very little if anything at all 1042 00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:51,930 about the was a publication when we 1043 00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:55,020 brought the witnesses out today I mean 1044 00:48:00,800 --> 00:47:57,420 it was it was a monumental effort you 1045 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:00,810 know just getting to license the Don Mac 1046 00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:02,930 footage and then convincing the 1047 00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,460 witnesses for the first time ever to get 1048 00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:07,440 to fly in from all different parts of 1049 00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:09,960 the world and and talk about you know 1050 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:12,600 talk about this case and a lot of them 1051 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:14,850 hadn't even told their own you know 1052 00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:18,810 husbands about it you know they hadn't 1053 00:48:23,330 --> 00:48:21,150 told you know so it was it was 1054 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:23,340 fascinating and you know it was it was a 1055 00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:26,010 close encounter of the Third Kind you 1056 00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:29,880 know and you think of well rod Dale I 1057 00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:33,030 think you think in broad daylight 10:30 1058 00:48:36,590 --> 00:48:34,740 in the morning you think like oh I think 1059 00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,600 I saw something maybe that resembled 1060 00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:38,640 this no this was like close encounter of 1061 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,590 the Third Kind where these children 1062 00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:43,680 could have reached out and touched the 1063 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:45,510 beans that they were in content they 1064 00:48:49,210 --> 00:48:47,490 were looking at I mean it was there was 1065 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:49,220 telepathic communication that went on 1066 00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:53,400 there was you know multiple multiple 1067 00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:55,800 UFOs it wasn't just one it was two or 1068 00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:59,010 three and it lasted for like 15-20 1069 00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:01,260 minutes and there was there was an 1070 00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:03,300 effort of communication that with it was 1071 00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:07,200 that it went down and they described it 1072 00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:09,510 I just I remember you can always get the 1073 00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:11,060 level of interest 1074 00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:13,460 on a particular interview with how quiet 1075 00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:15,230 the room is you could hear a pin drop 1076 00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:16,670 because you've got lighting guys and 1077 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:18,710 sound guys and a couple of other people 1078 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:19,970 that are in the room as well during the 1079 00:49:24,850 --> 00:49:22,010 time and during the testimony of these 1080 00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:24,860 witnesses you could hear a pin drop of 1081 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:27,470 the room and it was just fascinating and 1082 00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:31,130 one of the remarks that was made by a 1083 00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:33,260 couple of them said do you know what 1084 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:35,060 it's like if you're out in the wild and 1085 00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:38,210 you come across a rare animal a wild 1086 00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:40,040 rare animal and there's this moment of 1087 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:42,140 intrigue where they're looking at you 1088 00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:43,970 with curiosity and you're looking at 1089 00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:46,700 them with curiosity and there's just as 1090 00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:49,190 sort of standoff and they said that 1091 00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:51,230 that's what it was like some of the 1092 00:49:56,860 --> 00:49:53,990 students had communication when they 1093 00:49:59,050 --> 00:49:56,870 locked eyes with the beans other other 1094 00:50:02,560 --> 00:49:59,060 students didn't but but a lot of them 1095 00:50:03,820 --> 00:50:02,570 did and and it was a quick close 1096 00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:03,830 encounter of the third kind it was 1097 00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:06,140 actually like I said 15 to 20 minutes 1098 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:08,030 long so there were a lot of amazing 1099 00:50:11,860 --> 00:50:09,650 details that surfaced when we did this 1100 00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:11,870 shoot back I think it was in November of 1101 00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:16,430 2013 I can't wait hmm how many other 1102 00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:18,230 cases are you going to include that 1103 00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:22,700 they're not part of that course 701 so 1104 00:50:28,540 --> 00:50:25,700 right now what we're missing is a very 1105 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:28,550 good modern-day case and when I say 1106 00:50:34,330 --> 00:50:31,810 modern day something that occurred 1107 00:50:36,490 --> 00:50:34,340 preferably that has multi eyewitness 1108 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:36,500 testimony as well as possibly some 1109 00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:39,770 evidence in the last five years so we're 1110 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:44,120 kind of you know were we're starting to 1111 00:50:48,250 --> 00:50:46,490 research some of those cases now we've 1112 00:50:50,590 --> 00:50:48,260 put a lot of effort into the Rua case a 1113 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:50,600 lot of effort in the Virginia case we're 1114 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:52,610 all extremely pleased with the results 1115 00:50:56,890 --> 00:50:55,010 Traci loves what's been put together I 1116 00:50:59,410 --> 00:50:56,900 actually have a sizzle reel that I could 1117 00:51:00,460 --> 00:50:59,420 send you both a link to it's a private 1118 00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:00,470 sinner wheel that would give you some 1119 00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:03,470 idea of what we what we came home with 1120 00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:06,230 let me let me do the breaker you know 1121 00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,910 what that sounds like something that 1122 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:10,000 Kris and I would love to see of course 1123 00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:12,890 we won't spread the word we'll keep it 1124 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:14,660 on the Qt but certainly we can use that 1125 00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:17,450 and maybe with your permission give some 1126 00:51:20,740 --> 00:51:19,220 of our listeners a preview of what they 1127 00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:20,750 might expect we got more to come with 1128 00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:24,030 James Fox the film is 700 1129 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:27,270 and I'm Jean he's Chris you're in the 1130 00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:28,390 para dad 1131 00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:37,560 [Music] 1132 00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:40,510 free from the shackles of Corporate 1133 00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:43,360 America we're the place for independent 1134 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:50,140 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standard of paranormal radio and now 1191 00:54:10,099 --> 00:54:07,250 here's Jane Steinberg 1192 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:10,109 [Music] 1193 00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:12,250 here in the para cast 1194 00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:15,390 we have James Fox movie producer who has 1195 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:19,480 ended up doing mostly UFOs he's become 1196 00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:21,970 the UFO guy didn't plan on it but 1197 00:54:29,070 --> 00:54:24,760 somehow it ends up that way I know the 1198 00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:29,080 feeling thank you kind of why just go 1199 00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:31,390 back to a regular life and this thing 1200 00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:34,600 keeps just grabbing at you so you're not 1201 00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:39,040 going to talk about Roswell no good no 1202 00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:43,150 you did yes that was a several people on 1203 00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,740 the forum at forum dr. Perik a stuff are 1204 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:49,359 gonna listen to that and jump up and 1205 00:54:56,099 --> 00:54:53,650 down I won't start quoting man but that 1206 00:55:00,420 --> 00:54:56,109 that is a real welcome statement James 1207 00:55:04,890 --> 00:55:00,430 yeah so this is not to say that if 1208 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:04,900 somehow we received some new extremely 1209 00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:08,530 compelling evidence or testimony that we 1210 00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:11,230 wouldn't consider at least revealing it 1211 00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:13,420 but as of now we are not touching 1212 00:55:16,859 --> 00:55:15,310 Roswell it seems to be a blanket 1213 00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,869 statement across the board with all 1214 00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:18,880 parties involved that's not happening 1215 00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:20,680 that like I said it doesn't mean that we 1216 00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:23,350 would not be open to reviewing something 1217 00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:24,730 that's startling something that's 1218 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:26,500 compelling something that's resurfaced 1219 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:28,450 we would at least consider reviewing 1220 00:55:32,430 --> 00:55:30,490 that but as of right now we are not 1221 00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,440 covering Roswell well of course we have 1222 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:34,480 this dream team which supposedly is 1223 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:36,970 looking into it as a cold case to try to 1224 00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:39,850 get a new slant but right now I don't 1225 00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:42,340 see anything out of that that's really 1226 00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,720 compelling they're a couple of people 1227 00:55:49,590 --> 00:55:45,760 who claim to have found some slides of 1228 00:55:51,690 --> 00:55:49,600 aliens in somebody's attic and that 1229 00:55:56,130 --> 00:55:51,700 sounds rather fishy to me 1230 00:56:00,180 --> 00:55:56,140 yeah footage remember the Ray Santelli 1231 00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:00,190 footage back in ninety was at 97 98 97 1232 00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,070 sure used by Bob kiveat yeah exactly 1233 00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:05,200 they made a lot of money it was 1234 00:56:10,530 --> 00:56:06,790 interesting we had kiveat on the show 1235 00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:10,540 and he was one of the few guests that we 1236 00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:12,310 had that I just really wanted to slap in 1237 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:15,369 the face and say get out of here I mean 1238 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:24,540 Croft yeah yeah well he fact--and or 1239 00:56:31,770 --> 00:56:28,210 faked I think he was the script editor 1240 00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:31,780 for that that particular series that was 1241 00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:33,790 the last time I talked to at least well 1242 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:35,860 let's move on you're only going to be 1243 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:37,330 here for the first half of the show and 1244 00:56:41,070 --> 00:56:39,250 I've got a whole bunch of stuff that I'm 1245 00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:41,080 wondering if you are interested in 1246 00:56:47,310 --> 00:56:43,420 talking about and that has to do with 1247 00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:47,320 the socorro Lonnie Zamora case which I 1248 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:50,200 know you put quite a bit of really hard 1249 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:54,610 work and diligence into digging into 1250 00:56:59,280 --> 00:56:57,490 that particular case once you give us a 1251 00:57:01,770 --> 00:56:59,290 thumbnail sketch on first of all your 1252 00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,780 thinking going in how you in Tracy 1253 00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:03,760 viewed that case and then give us you 1254 00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:05,230 know kind of a Cliff Notes version of 1255 00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:09,000 that particular investigation and and 1256 00:57:14,430 --> 00:57:12,100 you know if you want to share a couple 1257 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:14,440 of bombshells that's cool too okay so 1258 00:57:18,330 --> 00:57:16,330 well you know I think if credit where 1259 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:18,340 credit is due and Tracy's is the one 1260 00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:21,370 that that really wanted to feature that 1261 00:57:26,070 --> 00:57:23,920 case because he kept saying this is the 1262 00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,080 seminal case this is the case that 1263 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:28,480 turned dr. J Allen Hynek around we all 1264 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:29,890 know dr. J Allen Hynek was the 1265 00:57:34,860 --> 00:57:32,170 scientific adviser to Project Blue Book 1266 00:57:37,470 --> 00:57:34,870 for the air force and he kept saying oh 1267 00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:37,480 this is the case you know and I knew 1268 00:57:44,310 --> 00:57:40,660 about the case but little did I know the 1269 00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:44,320 level of details behind that case and so 1270 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:46,840 I said to Tracy that I would I would 1271 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:49,090 look into it and and we would you know 1272 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:52,170 gladly feature that case is part of 1273 00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:54,370 production and that was probably the 1274 00:57:58,290 --> 00:57:56,770 best decision I've certainly ever made 1275 00:58:00,330 --> 00:57:58,300 and I'm sure that everyone else is gonna 1276 00:58:03,690 --> 00:58:00,340 be happy as well because I just had no 1277 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:03,700 idea what we were gonna uncover and and 1278 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:05,530 some of it was intentional and some of 1279 00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:07,930 it was just by coincidence just got 1280 00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:10,270 lucky let's see what can I work with 1281 00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:14,200 where can I start well let's see I went 1282 00:58:18,990 --> 00:58:17,020 back east because of course the person 1283 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:19,000 that wrote the definitive book on the 1284 00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:22,450 case is Ray Stanford and Ray's Stanford 1285 00:58:26,730 --> 00:58:25,150 the books called I think Socorro saucer 1286 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:26,740 and a Pentagon pantry and even though it 1287 00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:28,930 didn't exactly look like a saucer it was 1288 00:58:32,490 --> 00:58:31,030 more like an egg it would seem to be a 1289 00:58:34,109 --> 00:58:32,500 more appropriate title because it just 1290 00:58:37,890 --> 00:58:34,119 sounds good 1291 00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:37,900 yeah you know had to gone pantry it's a 1292 00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:47,160 and-and-and-and ray I spent a good good 1293 00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:49,390 amount of time with ray Stanford back at 1294 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:54,329 his home in Maryland and he had kept 1295 00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:57,130 every the most particular researcher 1296 00:59:04,499 --> 00:59:00,640 I've ever met he had kept details of 1297 00:59:06,989 --> 00:59:04,509 that case from rocks that he taken out 1298 00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:06,999 of the landing site some of which were 1299 00:59:13,859 --> 00:59:10,240 broken by the landing gear to scorched 1300 00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:13,869 bits of paper to notes to interviews 1301 00:59:21,089 --> 00:59:16,839 that were conducted in 79 from dr. Hynek 1302 00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,099 the guy has done the most amazing work 1303 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:23,680 on that case of anyone I've ever seen he 1304 00:59:28,739 --> 00:59:26,170 knew things about that case that no one 1305 00:59:31,259 --> 00:59:28,749 knows we're having this wonderful time 1306 00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:31,269 together and he gave us an interview and 1307 00:59:35,819 --> 00:59:34,329 I was just kind of hell-bent on getting 1308 00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:35,829 over to the National Archives because I 1309 00:59:40,589 --> 00:59:37,150 kept thinking I don't know what else we 1310 00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,599 can uncover and you know Ray was kind of 1311 00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,119 less enthusiastic about it but I managed 1312 00:59:48,329 --> 00:59:46,720 to twist his arm and persuade him to 1313 00:59:50,819 --> 00:59:48,339 follow along with me to the National 1314 00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:50,829 Archives and he was he was like I said 1315 01:00:00,509 --> 00:59:54,660 less than then then was it say 1316 01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:00,519 optimistic a long story short I mean I 1317 01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:02,049 can't tell you the runaround we got the 1318 01:00:08,339 --> 01:00:03,670 National Archives and I'd done research 1319 01:00:10,739 --> 01:00:08,349 I talked to Bob friend it was former 1320 01:00:13,259 --> 01:00:10,749 head of Project Blue Book I talked to 1321 01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:13,269 Colonel Coleman whose public spokesman 1322 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:15,190 for blue book at the Pentagon or the 1323 01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,730 United States Air Force UFO 1324 01:00:22,650 --> 01:00:20,079 investigation and I really wanted to be 1325 01:00:25,259 --> 01:00:22,660 like fine like where are the original 1326 01:00:28,109 --> 01:00:25,269 Project Blue Book files kept I didn't 1327 01:00:31,049 --> 01:00:28,119 want microfiche and and no one really 1328 01:00:33,539 --> 01:00:31,059 seemed to know so there was some talk 1329 01:00:34,769 --> 01:00:33,549 about a military I think was Hamilton I 1330 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:34,779 think I'm not sure but that was in 1331 01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,210 Alabama there was Colonel Coleman who 1332 01:00:45,569 --> 01:00:42,880 told me that they had given a lot of the 1333 01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,579 data from Project Blue Book to a 1334 01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:47,920 University in Southern California 1335 01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,230 so there was like no one really quite 1336 01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:52,240 seemed to know but I figured my best bet 1337 01:00:57,450 --> 01:00:55,510 would be Maryland and as Ray was just a 1338 01:00:59,700 --> 01:00:57,460 stone's throw away I figured well while 1339 01:01:01,200 --> 01:00:59,710 I was there I should go and try kind of 1340 01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:01,210 a no brainer well when we got there we 1341 01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:02,740 got the runaround and we was all these 1342 01:01:06,779 --> 01:01:04,990 different floors and finally you know we 1343 01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:06,789 had to give us the microfiche as per 1344 01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:09,430 usual and finally you know we just said 1345 01:01:12,779 --> 01:01:11,140 look you know this this man right here 1346 01:01:14,339 --> 01:01:12,789 I'm standing with he was there at this 1347 01:01:16,529 --> 01:01:14,349 particular case we know there are things 1348 01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,539 that are not in the microfiche come on 1349 01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:18,160 where are the original files we want to 1350 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:20,200 get access to the original material we 1351 01:01:23,069 --> 01:01:21,490 want to get access to the photographs 1352 01:01:24,930 --> 01:01:23,079 that were taken to the landing site and 1353 01:01:26,819 --> 01:01:24,940 the guy was very impressed with the fact 1354 01:01:28,650 --> 01:01:26,829 that you know Ray was there with me and 1355 01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:28,660 I think that really helped he said all 1356 01:01:32,430 --> 01:01:30,190 right like to tell you what he said 1357 01:01:33,809 --> 01:01:32,440 write down your information let me let 1358 01:01:36,539 --> 01:01:33,819 me see what I can do come back in a 1359 01:01:39,779 --> 01:01:36,549 couple of hours so ray and I went in and 1360 01:01:41,309 --> 01:01:39,789 we we went into the cafeteria I think we 1361 01:01:43,380 --> 01:01:41,319 had some lunch or something then we came 1362 01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:43,390 back a couple hours later into both of 1363 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:45,670 our amazements they said the files are 1364 01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:47,890 ready and they wheeled out art the 1365 01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:50,529 original project Bluebook falls from 1366 01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:53,230 that case and it was just I mean ray and 1367 01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:54,430 I looked at each other and it was like 1368 01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:55,750 this bolt of adrenaline they went 1369 01:01:59,849 --> 01:01:58,000 through us both and it was just excite 1370 01:02:01,829 --> 01:01:59,859 this level of excitement that I can't 1371 01:02:03,660 --> 01:02:01,839 even put the words I mean we really it 1372 01:02:05,309 --> 01:02:03,670 was very exciting and they had but 1373 01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:05,319 they're very strict protocol you know 1374 01:02:08,999 --> 01:02:07,180 you had to wear white gloves and only 1375 01:02:10,499 --> 01:02:09,009 one person was allowed to handle the 1376 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:10,509 documents at a time and yet I put a 1377 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:12,490 placement holder in and you know we 1378 01:02:18,359 --> 01:02:15,250 quickly realized that if we followed the 1379 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:18,369 protocol that it would take forever to 1380 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:20,170 go through everything they had there and 1381 01:02:24,569 --> 01:02:22,210 the one thing that we could do was get a 1382 01:02:25,859 --> 01:02:24,579 flatbed scanner and that way we could 1383 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:25,869 kind of scan the things otherwise you 1384 01:02:29,759 --> 01:02:27,490 have to take a document out put a place 1385 01:02:32,609 --> 01:02:29,769 with holder in its place walk across the 1386 01:02:33,779 --> 01:02:32,619 room to a photocopier put it in a $0.50 1387 01:02:35,309 --> 01:02:33,789 or whatever it was make your front a 1388 01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:35,319 copy which wasn't even that great and 1389 01:02:38,730 --> 01:02:37,420 then come back to the desk and then 1390 01:02:40,289 --> 01:02:38,740 start over again you can imagine like 1391 01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,299 hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 1392 01:02:44,670 --> 01:02:41,920 documents that was going to take forever 1393 01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:44,680 so we opted in a race stayed there I ran 1394 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:46,390 out I got a flatbed scanner we came back 1395 01:02:50,910 --> 01:02:48,250 and we set up shop and we had this 1396 01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:50,920 wonderful method going and 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1521 01:08:26,050 --> 01:08:22,790 at the end of the project Bluebook 1522 01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:26,060 amounted to 701 they tried as hard as 1523 01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:27,560 they could they couldn't get it to 1524 01:08:34,270 --> 01:08:30,700 happen okay so you're talking about here 1525 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:34,280 evidence in the blue book report talking 1526 01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:37,130 about the occupant scene in connection 1527 01:08:42,340 --> 01:08:40,070 with the Socorro New Mexico case tell us 1528 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:42,350 more yeah so you know it's interesting 1529 01:08:48,670 --> 01:08:45,410 if you look at the summary of the report 1530 01:08:51,490 --> 01:08:48,680 you think that the air force would 1531 01:08:54,849 --> 01:08:51,500 include the fact that the witness not 1532 01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,859 only saw a craft at close range but also 1533 01:08:58,660 --> 01:08:56,480 saw occupants don't you think that the 1534 01:09:00,280 --> 01:08:58,670 detail that the Air Force probably might 1535 01:09:03,099 --> 01:09:00,290 want to consider putting in as part of 1536 01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:03,109 their report of course it's not and not 1537 01:09:09,130 --> 01:09:05,800 only that's what it's like when you find 1538 01:09:12,450 --> 01:09:09,140 official you know government documents 1539 01:09:16,090 --> 01:09:12,460 that clearly indicate that there was 1540 01:09:19,690 --> 01:09:16,100 physical evidence left on the ground to 1541 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:19,700 cooperate exactly what officer water is 1542 01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,490 more had seen including footprints of 1543 01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:25,040 these creatures you know apparently they 1544 01:09:29,770 --> 01:09:26,960 even made plaster casts of these 1545 01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:29,780 footprints and to not include that in 1546 01:09:34,450 --> 01:09:32,270 the body of the report as part of 1547 01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:34,460 Project Blue Book is to me is this 1548 01:09:40,930 --> 01:09:37,520 criminal and so we found these documents 1549 01:09:44,230 --> 01:09:40,940 that BSO it proves beyond any doubt that 1550 01:09:46,540 --> 01:09:44,240 the Air Force knew that there was there 1551 01:09:48,250 --> 01:09:46,550 was physical evidence on the ground to 1552 01:09:51,310 --> 01:09:48,260 back up the claims of them from Lonnie 1553 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:51,320 Zamora you know there was an effort to 1554 01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:52,970 obvious gate and I think it was a 1555 01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:56,210 reasonable effort to obvious gate symbol 1556 01:09:59,290 --> 01:09:58,070 on the side of the craft there was 1557 01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,300 evidence that we found there that I'm 1558 01:10:04,090 --> 01:10:01,280 not really at liberty to discuss but 1559 01:10:06,190 --> 01:10:04,100 that a lot of tear to rate stanford's 1560 01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:06,200 eyes i can say that and but leave it at 1561 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:08,960 that but something that validated claim 1562 01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:11,930 that he's been making for 49 years that 1563 01:10:14,650 --> 01:10:13,490 he discovered while we were there the 1564 01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:14,660 National Archives 1565 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:16,310 me ask you to stop here for a second 1566 01:10:20,740 --> 01:10:18,170 James you said there's something there 1567 01:10:22,420 --> 01:10:20,750 you not at liberty to discuss and our 1568 01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:22,430 listeners are going to say what you say 1569 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:26,540 yeah well it's because Ray Stanford had 1570 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:29,450 made certain claims based on the 1571 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:32,810 research investigation that he that he'd 1572 01:10:39,190 --> 01:10:35,810 done for his book and I think that there 1573 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:39,200 have been decades of controversy 1574 01:10:43,420 --> 01:10:41,210 regarding those claims and I don't think 1575 01:10:46,570 --> 01:10:43,430 that Ray as matter of fact I know that 1576 01:10:48,130 --> 01:10:46,580 ray never had definitive proof of those 1577 01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:48,140 claims and tell our visit to the 1578 01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:50,750 National Archives and address the way he 1579 01:10:56,050 --> 01:10:53,870 have he didn't have validation and proof 1580 01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:56,060 that his version of the story was 1581 01:11:00,340 --> 01:10:58,610 correct and you found that that proof at 1582 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:00,350 the National Archives which brought us 1583 01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,770 here to raise I because finally it's a 1584 01:11:07,420 --> 01:11:05,840 concentrating over the actual symbol 1585 01:11:12,030 --> 01:11:07,430 that was seen on the side of the craft 1586 01:11:16,450 --> 01:11:12,040 and certain information was purposefully 1587 01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:16,460 changed about that symbol by persons who 1588 01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,290 were investigating officially 1589 01:11:22,690 --> 01:11:20,480 investigating the case so that they 1590 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:22,700 could keep that symbol back in case it 1591 01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:25,130 came up again in future sightings then 1592 01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:26,450 they would know that these people had a 1593 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:28,550 real event so you know there's some 1594 01:11:32,740 --> 01:11:30,890 question about the the two versions of 1595 01:11:35,290 --> 01:11:32,750 the symbol and which came first which 1596 01:11:37,630 --> 01:11:35,300 was the real one which wasn't with the 1597 01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:37,640 visit to the National Archives James and 1598 01:11:45,490 --> 01:11:41,170 anre were able to finally in that 1599 01:11:48,430 --> 01:11:45,500 particular discussion exactly and I made 1600 01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:48,440 a vow to Ray at the time that I would 1601 01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:51,110 allow him to release that document to 1602 01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:55,360 the world well so that's why I'm not 1603 01:11:59,920 --> 01:11:58,070 1920 more Jews for a while it would 1604 01:12:01,960 --> 01:11:59,930 raise track record or releasing things 1605 01:12:03,580 --> 01:12:01,970 I've done boy well I'll discuss it with 1606 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:03,590 Ray you know because we definitely want 1607 01:12:07,450 --> 01:12:05,810 a religious right let me ask you this 1608 01:12:09,220 --> 01:12:07,460 let's see you know since we're talking 1609 01:12:12,190 --> 01:12:09,230 about Ray Stafford you spent more time 1610 01:12:13,870 --> 01:12:12,200 with him face time then I think I've 1611 01:12:16,990 --> 01:12:13,880 spent in all the years that I've known 1612 01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:17,000 him you got a real major dose of Ray 1613 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:20,780 what do you think of Ray's work on his 1614 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:23,210 how would I put this his propulsion 1615 01:12:29,050 --> 01:12:26,930 diagnostic work and some of the many 1616 01:12:31,330 --> 01:12:29,060 hours that he spent explaining very 1617 01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:31,340 patiently I'm sure some of the work that 1618 01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:33,890 he's been undergoing for the past 10 1619 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:36,800 years now what was your impression of 1620 01:12:42,370 --> 01:12:39,290 the man is he a total loon is this guy 1621 01:12:44,980 --> 01:12:42,380 just out to lunch or you know you know 1622 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:44,990 you know geniuses can often come across 1623 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:48,530 as being insane and we've seen that time 1624 01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:50,530 and time again because you know he's so 1625 01:12:56,710 --> 01:12:53,480 he's so focused on details 1626 01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,720 he has attention for detail and finding 1627 01:13:03,010 --> 01:12:59,120 things that would escape the normal eye 1628 01:13:05,230 --> 01:13:03,020 of the average observer he would point 1629 01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,240 things out in in rocks that he would 1630 01:13:09,490 --> 01:13:07,520 find from dinosaur remains fossils that 1631 01:13:10,660 --> 01:13:09,500 other people have overlooked I think 1632 01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:10,670 he's now even featured in the 1633 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:13,040 Smithsonian in Washington DC for some of 1634 01:13:17,020 --> 01:13:15,050 his findings it's been under the nose of 1635 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:17,030 all these people all these decades and 1636 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:19,970 Ray found it you know a rate 1637 01:13:23,380 --> 01:13:21,890 I knew bringing ray to the National 1638 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:23,390 Archives that I would have good luck I 1639 01:13:28,210 --> 01:13:25,610 think he's just got a way about him that 1640 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:28,220 finds things you know this if you read 1641 01:13:31,390 --> 01:13:29,450 his book 1642 01:13:32,830 --> 01:13:31,400 Sakura saucer and a Pentagon pantry 1643 01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:32,840 you'll see the level of detail that he 1644 01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:35,090 gives to this stuff it's unlike anything 1645 01:13:40,990 --> 01:13:37,820 I've ever seen it's almost scary at 1646 01:13:43,390 --> 01:13:41,000 times yeah and so you know that that in 1647 01:13:44,860 --> 01:13:43,400 many ways to the average Joe could come 1648 01:13:48,940 --> 01:13:44,870 across as someone who's like kind of 1649 01:13:51,940 --> 01:13:48,950 crazy but if you hear the guy out you'll 1650 01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:51,950 see that there's reasons for his his 1651 01:13:57,970 --> 01:13:55,430 theories and and quite valid ones but 1652 01:14:00,190 --> 01:13:57,980 I'm not a scientist and my primary 1653 01:14:02,290 --> 01:14:00,200 objective for the visit with rain was to 1654 01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:02,300 focus on the Socorro case right there 1655 01:14:05,860 --> 01:14:04,310 were other aspect of the UFO phenomena 1656 01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:05,870 that he shared with me literature I 1657 01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,480 found very fascinating and seemed to 1658 01:14:13,420 --> 01:14:11,360 make too you know for a layman like 1659 01:14:15,730 --> 01:14:13,430 myself seem to make a lot of great sense 1660 01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:15,740 but like I said you know my my my 1661 01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,500 primary reason behind the visit was to 1662 01:14:22,780 --> 01:14:20,480 folk like your own maker having to come 1663 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:22,790 up with a nice segment on Socorro and it 1664 01:14:28,030 --> 01:14:25,490 sounds like you you came up with some 1665 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:28,040 really slam-dunk material that's really 1666 01:14:33,130 --> 01:14:29,930 going to put certain controversial 1667 01:14:34,810 --> 01:14:33,140 aspects of the case to rest and that's a 1668 01:14:37,330 --> 01:14:34,820 good thing yeah I'll give you another 1669 01:14:40,090 --> 01:14:37,340 example okay but I have too much left 1670 01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:40,100 before you have to leave us so let's 1671 01:14:42,730 --> 01:14:42,320 make it a quick example okay I'm a quick 1672 01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:42,740 example 1673 01:14:46,930 --> 01:14:45,080 I found a document that talked about it 1674 01:14:48,340 --> 01:14:46,940 was from quintanilla Queens I never 1675 01:14:49,690 --> 01:14:48,350 pronounce his name correctly who had a 1676 01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:49,700 project Bluebook at wright-patterson Air 1677 01:14:55,150 --> 01:14:52,880 Force Base and he had mentioned a film 1678 01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:55,160 crew coming in in 1965 and he was very 1679 01:14:59,710 --> 01:14:57,470 concerned about this film crew and the 1680 01:15:01,420 --> 01:14:59,720 participation of Lonnie Zamora wint this 1681 01:15:04,060 --> 01:15:01,430 film crew what he was going to say what 1682 01:15:05,890 --> 01:15:04,070 the film crews intentions were but then 1683 01:15:07,660 --> 01:15:05,900 I got a response that was in the 1684 01:15:09,610 --> 01:15:07,670 National Archives from dr. Hynek that 1685 01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:09,620 was directed to King janilla that 1686 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:11,480 basically said hey you know I understand 1687 01:15:14,350 --> 01:15:12,770 it's going to be too obvious if you pay 1688 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:14,360 a visit score to figure out what this 1689 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:15,770 film crew is all about why Lonnie is 1690 01:15:19,780 --> 01:15:17,930 participating one or I just you know 1691 01:15:22,030 --> 01:15:19,790 kind of go in there and and see what's 1692 01:15:24,130 --> 01:15:22,040 going on so I found out about this film 1693 01:15:25,570 --> 01:15:24,140 crew in this film but I didn't have a 1694 01:15:27,790 --> 01:15:25,580 title and didn't have names of any of 1695 01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:27,800 the participants and of course everybody 1696 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:29,600 else's all the other people in the 1697 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:31,370 letters are dead so I found out about 1698 01:15:35,470 --> 01:15:33,410 this film crew so then I went to ended 1699 01:15:38,350 --> 01:15:35,480 up at six months later I ended up in the 1700 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:38,360 it was in Maura's house with his wife 1701 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:41,210 Mary and she very graciously allowed me 1702 01:15:44,230 --> 01:15:42,650 to go through his archives one of the 1703 01:15:46,270 --> 01:15:44,240 more of the archives he kept every 1704 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:46,280 newspaper clipping and correspondents 1705 01:15:52,930 --> 01:15:50,570 and everything from from 1964 up until 1706 01:15:54,970 --> 01:15:52,940 his death and in that I found newspaper 1707 01:15:58,510 --> 01:15:54,980 clippings of an article that was about 1708 01:16:04,600 --> 01:15:58,520 in 1965 maybe 1965 a film called 1709 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:04,610 phenomena 7.7 ah this film yes oh boy 1710 01:16:09,190 --> 01:16:06,290 we're leaving this with a cliffhanger 1711 01:16:11,410 --> 01:16:09,200 folks so James are gonna have to get you 1712 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1837 01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:36,330 it I'm not sort of said what I needed to 1838 01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:39,660 say and then I was approached about 1839 01:21:43,730 --> 01:21:41,460 doing the Betty and Barney Hill movie 1840 01:21:46,010 --> 01:21:43,740 and I didn't think that I was interested 1841 01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:46,020 but I actually read the book and found 1842 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:47,190 out that I had never read the book 1843 01:21:52,430 --> 01:21:50,010 before which I was surprised to see so I 1844 01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:52,440 actually went around with some producers 1845 01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:54,780 and pitched it through maybe half a 1846 01:22:00,830 --> 01:21:58,080 dozen places and we never made a sale on 1847 01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:00,840 it but it's kind of rekindled my 1848 01:22:05,060 --> 01:22:03,030 interest in the subject and I sort of 1849 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:05,070 opened myself up to doing something else 1850 01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:07,530 if the right project were to arrive and 1851 01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:10,440 then I met with James and we both said 1852 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:13,170 that we wanted to do sort of a seminal 1853 01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,810 UFO documentary film and I sort of 1854 01:22:19,580 --> 01:22:17,760 changed my mind and decided maybe this 1855 01:22:21,470 --> 01:22:19,590 would be a good time to do one more one 1856 01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:21,480 more thing so that's what got me back 1857 01:22:25,580 --> 01:22:22,050 into it 1858 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:25,590 why this particular selection why base 1859 01:22:31,850 --> 01:22:29,130 it on those 701 unsolved Project Blue 1860 01:22:34,930 --> 01:22:31,860 Book cases well I think there's been way 1861 01:22:37,580 --> 01:22:34,940 way too much done in the TV documentary 1862 01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:37,590 vein you know there's just been so much 1863 01:22:42,740 --> 01:22:39,960 done it's been covered less than right 1864 01:22:45,980 --> 01:22:42,750 and I was not interested in doing any 1865 01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:45,990 kind of a new project unless it was 1866 01:22:53,780 --> 01:22:49,860 really unique and didn't smack of all of 1867 01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:53,790 the TV documentary work that has come 1868 01:22:59,060 --> 01:22:57,270 along so I think that's what intrigued 1869 01:23:01,490 --> 01:22:59,070 me was trying to do something on a sort 1870 01:23:03,410 --> 01:23:01,500 of a different level than has been done 1871 01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:03,420 before well the one thing 1872 01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:04,800 here of course is that we were 1873 01:23:10,820 --> 01:23:07,410 mentioning with James the fact that all 1874 01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:10,830 these UFO reality shows have problems oh 1875 01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:13,110 yeah I mean I think that a lot of them 1876 01:23:17,419 --> 01:23:15,780 do have problems and I just definitely 1877 01:23:19,580 --> 01:23:17,429 was not interested in doing something 1878 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:19,590 that smacked of the second thing that's 1879 01:23:24,919 --> 01:23:22,170 been done so many times so we really had 1880 01:23:26,810 --> 01:23:24,929 you know a task on our hands to try to 1881 01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:26,820 do a project that approached it from a 1882 01:23:32,180 --> 01:23:29,219 bit of a different point of view and 1883 01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:32,190 didn't cover the same old ground well 1884 01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:34,110 there's so many cases out there you 1885 01:23:40,490 --> 01:23:36,690 wonder why we always see the same ones 1886 01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:40,500 again again and again well I think we do 1887 01:23:45,260 --> 01:23:42,360 because there are certain cases that 1888 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:45,270 just stand out compared to others and so 1889 01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,010 they they naturally fall into place when 1890 01:23:52,669 --> 01:23:49,679 people are doing documentaries I mean we 1891 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:52,679 are going to have some cases that have 1892 01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:55,290 been shown before in some ways but we're 1893 01:24:00,169 --> 01:23:57,960 at least trying to only do stuff that 1894 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:00,179 has a bit of uniqueness to it and can 1895 01:24:05,330 --> 01:24:02,130 come at things from a new angle or a new 1896 01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:05,340 point of view not the same old thing in 1897 01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,760 doing this thing that any of these 1898 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:10,800 particular cases that you explored 1899 01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:13,530 change your conclusions about them or 1900 01:24:21,290 --> 01:24:17,610 about UFOs in general no I I I firmly 1901 01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:21,300 believe that you know 95% of the cases 1902 01:24:27,020 --> 01:24:23,330 can be easily or relatively easily 1903 01:24:29,930 --> 01:24:27,030 dismissed but there's that remaining 5% 1904 01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:29,940 that I really think there is no good 1905 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:33,330 answer for so it reinforced my feelings 1906 01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,810 that that is the case I think you really 1907 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:38,400 really have to separate the wheat from 1908 01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:41,130 the chaff and I think there's a there 1909 01:24:45,140 --> 01:24:42,900 are a lot of people in UFO circles that 1910 01:24:47,660 --> 01:24:45,150 are not you know totally happy with me 1911 01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:47,670 because I've said pretty openly and 1912 01:24:53,780 --> 01:24:51,000 forcefully that I do think 95% of it is 1913 01:24:56,959 --> 01:24:53,790 silly and that there are a lot of people 1914 01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:56,969 in the UFO field who seem to you know 1915 01:25:01,610 --> 01:24:59,760 fall for a bunch of crazy stories 1916 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:01,620 without really challenging them very 1917 01:25:06,169 --> 01:25:03,810 much so I think it's really really an 1918 01:25:08,450 --> 01:25:06,179 essential that he that people that are 1919 01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:08,460 interested in the subject try to get to 1920 01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:11,760 the bottom of it by you know again 1921 01:25:15,919 --> 01:25:13,140 separating the wheat from the chaff 1922 01:25:17,609 --> 01:25:15,929 deciding what things are seem to be real 1923 01:25:20,189 --> 01:25:17,619 or have reality to them and what 1924 01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:20,199 don't I think that's really necessary I 1925 01:25:24,780 --> 01:25:22,570 sort of run out of patience with the 1926 01:25:26,970 --> 01:25:24,790 people out there who believe everything 1927 01:25:29,870 --> 01:25:26,980 and you know people come along and say 1928 01:25:32,729 --> 01:25:29,880 that there are 12 lizard alien races 1929 01:25:35,250 --> 01:25:32,739 visiting the earth and they immediately 1930 01:25:37,589 --> 01:25:35,260 fall in line with all that the art bells 1931 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:37,599 kind of the world they don't ask any 1932 01:25:42,270 --> 01:25:40,090 tough questions and I'm not interested 1933 01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:42,280 in doing that it's just like I'm I've 1934 01:25:46,649 --> 01:25:44,380 gotten too old you know I'm an older guy 1935 01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,659 now so it's like I'm not really 1936 01:25:50,459 --> 01:25:48,639 interested in in you know spinning my 1937 01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:50,469 wheels and going back over the same old 1938 01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:53,050 nonsense I really am only interested in 1939 01:25:57,629 --> 01:25:54,610 things that might get us closer to the 1940 01:25:59,280 --> 01:25:57,639 ultimate truth well we are angry at art 1941 01:26:02,040 --> 01:25:59,290 Bell because of what he did when he 1942 01:26:04,859 --> 01:26:02,050 briefly went back on the air he used the 1943 01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:04,869 name of her radio show there only 1944 01:26:10,620 --> 01:26:07,090 existed already hosted by our friend Don 1945 01:26:12,419 --> 01:26:10,630 Ecker Dark Matters Wow and that was 1946 01:26:15,450 --> 01:26:12,429 enough and now he's got dark matter or 1947 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:15,460 dark matters radio network and believe 1948 01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:17,290 it or not they actually came here they 1949 01:26:20,879 --> 01:26:19,210 contacted me and said would you like to 1950 01:26:23,490 --> 01:26:20,889 put the power cast in this network and I 1951 01:26:25,410 --> 01:26:23,500 said not with that name yeah and he also 1952 01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:25,420 got an email from somebody the other day 1953 01:26:29,729 --> 01:26:27,340 say why aren't you on this network and I 1954 01:26:32,220 --> 01:26:29,739 said here's why but let's just go back 1955 01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,230 to the fact that some things are 1956 01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:34,960 accepted that shouldn't mean not just 12 1957 01:26:40,379 --> 01:26:38,170 types of lizard aliens are there are 1958 01:26:44,669 --> 01:26:40,389 specific cases you think are just too 1959 01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:44,679 readily accepted by people in the UFO 1960 01:26:48,780 --> 01:26:46,480 field that should really be considered 1961 01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:48,790 for what they are which is not yeah a 1962 01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,290 really good example of that I think 1963 01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:52,320 would be the Billy Meyers case I mean 1964 01:26:58,589 --> 01:26:56,560 yes absolutely on sense and yet people 1965 01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,599 keep dredging it up over and over and 1966 01:27:02,939 --> 01:27:00,400 over again and no matter how many times 1967 01:27:05,609 --> 01:27:02,949 it seems to be shown that it's you know 1968 01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:05,619 really silly season again people keep 1969 01:27:10,290 --> 01:27:08,409 bringing it up like it was real and I 1970 01:27:13,589 --> 01:27:10,300 think you know I think the big problem 1971 01:27:15,419 --> 01:27:13,599 is journalists and scientists have 1972 01:27:18,180 --> 01:27:15,429 really been the two groups of people 1973 01:27:20,459 --> 01:27:18,190 that I think have really screwed up and 1974 01:27:23,070 --> 01:27:20,469 let everyone down when it comes to this 1975 01:27:25,530 --> 01:27:23,080 subject they they just don't understand 1976 01:27:27,180 --> 01:27:25,540 it they don't grasp it they think you 1977 01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,190 know when you find a lot of times and 1978 01:27:31,130 --> 01:27:29,520 what I find a lot of times is people say 1979 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:31,140 oh well if you think these things are 1980 01:27:34,130 --> 01:27:32,970 coming from another planet that's 1981 01:27:36,860 --> 01:27:34,140 impossible 1982 01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,870 the distances are too great it would 1983 01:27:40,970 --> 01:27:37,920 take too long 1984 01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:40,980 can't be done therefore no story is real 1985 01:27:46,220 --> 01:27:43,800 therefore nothing is true therefore 1986 01:27:48,620 --> 01:27:46,230 we're going to go all out to explain 1987 01:27:49,130 --> 01:27:48,630 these things away at all costs and you 1988 01:27:53,420 --> 01:27:49,140 know what 1989 01:27:55,490 --> 01:27:53,430 UFOs need good skeptics they need people 1990 01:27:58,220 --> 01:27:55,500 who very know know what they're talking 1991 01:27:59,840 --> 01:27:58,230 about and that can come forward and and 1992 01:28:01,370 --> 01:27:59,850 again you know separate the I hate to 1993 01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:01,380 say the same phrase but separate the 1994 01:28:05,210 --> 01:28:02,210 wheat from the chaff 1995 01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:05,220 unfortunately UFOs do not have good 1996 01:28:10,670 --> 01:28:07,590 skeptics the great majority of them are 1997 01:28:14,750 --> 01:28:10,680 pretty terrible and their explanations 1998 01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:14,760 are tortured and incorrect but they come 1999 01:28:18,770 --> 01:28:16,440 at it from a point of view right off the 2000 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:18,780 bat that this stuff cannot possibly be 2001 01:28:24,650 --> 01:28:22,530 real therefore it isn't therefore we're 2002 01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:24,660 going to be bunk everything that comes 2003 01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:26,760 along and you know that's just not 2004 01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:28,920 honest it's not an honest point of view 2005 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:31,410 so again that's something that keeps me 2006 01:28:35,380 --> 01:28:33,090 interested in the subject is the fact 2007 01:28:38,270 --> 01:28:35,390 that there's such a need for good 2008 01:28:40,370 --> 01:28:38,280 reliable information and not all the 2009 01:28:42,650 --> 01:28:40,380 crazy stuff well Tracy that brings up a 2010 01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:42,660 really interesting point and that is how 2011 01:28:48,050 --> 01:28:45,120 is your project going to be different 2012 01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:48,060 from what we've kind of fallen into as a 2013 01:28:52,780 --> 01:28:50,130 culture of this kind of Cliff Notes 2014 01:28:54,710 --> 01:28:52,790 version of things in dramatic 2015 01:28:57,620 --> 01:28:54,720 embellishments for entertainment value 2016 01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,630 how is your project with James Fox 2017 01:29:01,130 --> 01:28:59,280 having that one going to be different 2018 01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:01,140 well there will be a certain amount of 2019 01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:02,730 that by the way I'm not going to pretend 2020 01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:04,620 that we're not going to have some 2021 01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,570 familiar territory because we are 2022 01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,880 anticipating that a certain percentage 2023 01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:11,040 of our audience will not really know the 2024 01:29:15,050 --> 01:29:13,170 subject and we can't just assume that 2025 01:29:16,940 --> 01:29:15,060 everybody is knowledgeable about it so 2026 01:29:19,370 --> 01:29:16,950 there will be a certain amount of things 2027 01:29:21,380 --> 01:29:19,380 that are a little bit of a retread in a 2028 01:29:23,930 --> 01:29:21,390 certain way to some of the UFO experts 2029 01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:23,940 but we are trying to do several things 2030 01:29:28,460 --> 01:29:25,650 that make this problem project more 2031 01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:28,470 unique we're trying to find only the 2032 01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:30,810 most interesting cases we're trying to 2033 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:33,420 go to the real locations where these 2034 01:29:37,850 --> 01:29:35,730 things happen which often doesn't happen 2035 01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:37,860 in recreations we're trying to be 2036 01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:40,560 technically very very accurate when we 2037 01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:42,540 do a recreation of an 2038 01:29:47,370 --> 01:29:45,640 we're really trying to say that we are 2039 01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:47,380 following it as closely and as 2040 01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,210 accurately as we possibly can 2041 01:29:56,250 --> 01:29:51,840 we're planning on using the very best 2042 01:29:59,340 --> 01:29:56,260 CGI technique which will the viewer 2043 01:30:02,400 --> 01:29:59,350 really the experience of what it's like 2044 01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:02,410 to have a real close encounter so we 2045 01:30:07,170 --> 01:30:04,480 actually take it very seriously that all 2046 01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:07,180 the recreation is that we have chosen 2047 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:11,440 our technically accurate our you know 2048 01:30:16,170 --> 01:30:13,930 interesting and compelling not just the 2049 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:16,180 same old stuff an example would be we're 2050 01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,330 not doing Rendlesham forest or we're not 2051 01:30:25,500 --> 01:30:22,560 doing what would be another abduction 2052 01:30:27,650 --> 01:30:25,510 all right Tracy Torme is joining gene 2053 01:30:35,940 --> 01:30:27,660 and Chris you're in with Erica 2054 01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:35,950 [Music] 2055 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:39,460 we are the premier independent talk 2056 01:30:47,370 --> 01:30:42,850 radio network the genesis 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United States and across the 2139 01:34:06,140 --> 01:34:03,510 industrialized world are almost 2140 01:34:08,750 --> 01:34:06,150 completely depleted of almost all of the 2141 01:34:11,210 --> 01:34:08,760 key minerals and trace elements that our 2142 01:34:13,190 --> 01:34:11,220 bodies need to rebuild themselves fight 2143 01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:13,200 off cancer and be healthy I then 2144 01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:15,600 searched out the best vitamin and 2145 01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:17,970 mineral company out there and discovered 2146 01:34:22,130 --> 01:34:20,370 youngevity the youngevity products are 2147 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:22,140 designed to give you the real nutrition 2148 01:34:26,090 --> 01:34:24,570 you need and once you've got that you 2149 01:34:29,570 --> 01:34:26,100 don't have to eat as much to be 2150 01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:29,580 satisfied I've lost 37 pounds in two 2151 01:34:33,420 --> 01:34:32,130 months simply getting the vitamins and 2152 01:34:34,710 --> 01:34:33,430 minerals I need 2153 01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:34,720 check it out for yourself it's 2154 01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:37,570 incredible dota Infowars team.com today 2155 01:34:42,060 --> 01:34:39,970 and order your first canister a beyond 2156 01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:42,070 tangy tangerine complete multivitamin 2157 01:35:05,820 --> 01:34:44,530 mineral complex dietary supplement 2158 01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:05,830 that's Infowars team Tracie Torme 2159 01:35:10,770 --> 01:35:08,080 working with James Fox some the movie 2160 01:35:13,140 --> 01:35:10,780 701 telling us about the cases that are 2161 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:13,150 not going to be included and of course 2162 01:35:17,250 --> 01:35:15,610 James did mention that Roswell would not 2163 01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:17,260 be there's nothing new to report about 2164 01:35:22,230 --> 01:35:20,560 Roswell but why not Rendlesham Moore has 2165 01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:22,240 the story been told too many times 2166 01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:24,400 yeah I'm really afraid it has I think 2167 01:35:28,530 --> 01:35:26,050 it's a great case I really do I think 2168 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:28,540 it's absolutely great case but I've seen 2169 01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:30,010 it myself you know four or five 2170 01:35:33,870 --> 01:35:32,080 different times in different ways it 2171 01:35:35,850 --> 01:35:33,880 just has sort of reached that over 2172 01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:35,860 saturation point and the same thing goes 2173 01:35:40,590 --> 01:35:38,170 with Roswell I mean I think Roz was very 2174 01:35:43,050 --> 01:35:40,600 interesting I loved on Schmidt's work on 2175 01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:43,060 it I hope in my own way that it's real 2176 01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:44,650 I'm not really sure I'm somewhat on the 2177 01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:47,050 fence but again it is a very compelling 2178 01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,580 case there's no doubt about it 2179 01:35:52,650 --> 01:35:51,280 but as it's just been seen at being yang 2180 01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:52,660 you know and it's just like the same 2181 01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:54,850 thing with Rendlesham forest I'm trying 2182 01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:57,040 to think of maybe another example or two 2183 01:36:00,900 --> 01:35:58,480 of something that we looked at that we 2184 01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:00,910 decided not to do well like the old hare 2185 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:03,520 Airport cave I mean it's lights 2186 01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:05,770 yeah I mean it's lights exactly exactly 2187 01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:08,320 that's one of the main tasks for James 2188 01:36:14,610 --> 01:36:10,510 and I and we know we reached a very 2189 01:36:17,370 --> 01:36:14,620 quick early agreement let's try to be as 2190 01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:17,380 unique and and different as we could but 2191 01:36:21,690 --> 01:36:19,090 one other thing to answer your question 2192 01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:21,700 we are not doing the typical thing where 2193 01:36:26,010 --> 01:36:24,370 it's like a documentary will bring on a 2194 01:36:27,780 --> 01:36:26,020 believer and then a skeptic and a 2195 01:36:29,550 --> 01:36:27,790 believer and a skeptic and a believer in 2196 01:36:31,620 --> 01:36:29,560 a skeptic and we go back and forth and 2197 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:31,630 say is it real isn't it real we're 2198 01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:34,330 taking a very provocative position which 2199 01:36:38,970 --> 01:36:36,370 I don't want to give too much away but 2200 01:36:41,390 --> 01:36:38,980 we actually are trying to say here's 2201 01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:41,400 what the phenomena is really all about 2202 01:36:46,420 --> 01:36:43,810 here's why it has been misrepresented 2203 01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:46,430 and there's been so much disinformation 2204 01:36:51,850 --> 01:36:49,070 over time here's why it is ridiculed and 2205 01:36:53,410 --> 01:36:51,860 debunked here are the reasons why these 2206 01:36:55,690 --> 01:36:53,420 things are not treated fairly or 2207 01:36:57,790 --> 01:36:55,700 honestly we're actually going to try to 2208 01:36:59,620 --> 01:36:57,800 bring that out into the light of day and 2209 01:37:03,010 --> 01:36:59,630 we're trying to take a very proactive 2210 01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:03,020 position that the phenomena is real it 2211 01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:06,050 deserves real study it deserves careful 2212 01:37:10,780 --> 01:37:08,210 study we're trying to make a strong 2213 01:37:13,450 --> 01:37:10,790 point as strong a case as we can to say 2214 01:37:15,850 --> 01:37:13,460 this stuff really needs to be looked at 2215 01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:15,860 from a different point of views so that 2216 01:37:20,620 --> 01:37:17,930 we can move forward and make at least a 2217 01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:20,630 little bit of progress in getting to the 2218 01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,030 bottom of this you know 70 at least 70 2219 01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:25,280 year old mystery not only that but also 2220 01:37:31,570 --> 01:37:28,880 kind of set the the benchmark or raise 2221 01:37:34,930 --> 01:37:31,580 the bar and how this particular subject 2222 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:34,940 is covered that sounds like a healthy 2223 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:37,370 way of approaching it now I hope so 2224 01:37:43,420 --> 01:37:40,610 a couple of our posters at forum dr. 2225 01:37:46,750 --> 01:37:43,430 Peric ascom are really interested in how 2226 01:37:48,910 --> 01:37:46,760 you're going to fold in recreations are 2227 01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:48,920 they going to be scripted is it going to 2228 01:37:52,810 --> 01:37:51,770 have your TV style voiceover you 2229 01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:52,820 mentioned that you're going to be on 2230 01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:55,730 site for much of this in the actual 2231 01:38:00,190 --> 01:37:57,770 locations where these events took place 2232 01:38:02,590 --> 01:38:00,200 how are you gonna approach the kind of 2233 01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:02,600 Hollywood portion of this where you're 2234 01:38:08,110 --> 01:38:05,810 using actors to recreate reality well I 2235 01:38:09,850 --> 01:38:08,120 remember when ABC did a couple of 2236 01:38:12,370 --> 01:38:09,860 specials on UFOs that Peter Jennings 2237 01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:12,380 hosted a few years ago and I was really 2238 01:38:16,930 --> 01:38:14,570 impressed with some of the CGI work of 2239 01:38:19,090 --> 01:38:16,940 that because I really did feel on one 2240 01:38:20,740 --> 01:38:19,100 particular case that I remember you 2241 01:38:22,450 --> 01:38:20,750 really did get a feeling for what it was 2242 01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:22,460 like to experience something this 2243 01:38:28,540 --> 01:38:25,730 strange and it's unusual yes I will be 2244 01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:28,550 scripting a certain percentage of this 2245 01:38:33,310 --> 01:38:30,770 in fact the whole thing to be accurate 2246 01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:33,320 with you will actually follow a scripted 2247 01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:36,130 plan so there will be a certain blend of 2248 01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:39,530 artistic license with reality we're also 2249 01:38:43,420 --> 01:38:41,570 going to be sticklers for accuracy 2250 01:38:44,740 --> 01:38:43,430 that's you know really important and I 2251 01:38:46,090 --> 01:38:44,750 don't know how much James has gotten 2252 01:38:48,820 --> 01:38:46,100 into this and it's obviously something 2253 01:38:52,630 --> 01:38:48,830 we can't talk too much about but we we 2254 01:38:54,670 --> 01:38:52,640 do have a very serious powerful inside 2255 01:38:56,980 --> 01:38:54,680 source or two let's just say it that way 2256 01:38:58,160 --> 01:38:56,990 who knew about our project a while back 2257 01:39:01,280 --> 01:38:58,170 contacted 2258 01:39:03,170 --> 01:39:01,290 and has now provided us information and 2259 01:39:04,670 --> 01:39:03,180 steered us in a certain direction we 2260 01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:04,680 sort of actually have a guideline for 2261 01:39:08,750 --> 01:39:05,970 some of the stuff we're gonna bring 2262 01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:08,760 forward you know I was very wary by the 2263 01:39:15,980 --> 01:39:11,520 way of this because I knew Linda Howe 2264 01:39:18,190 --> 01:39:15,990 and Bill Moore when they were being 2265 01:39:21,980 --> 01:39:18,200 approached by so-called whistleblowers 2266 01:39:24,380 --> 01:39:21,990 at that time and I really found a lot of 2267 01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:24,390 suspicious you know shenanigans going on 2268 01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,610 with that where a lot of things were 2269 01:39:30,620 --> 01:39:28,560 said I think for disinformation reasons 2270 01:39:31,730 --> 01:39:30,630 and I think that you know that would 2271 01:39:34,190 --> 01:39:31,740 ended up being not what it was supposed 2272 01:39:36,230 --> 01:39:34,200 to be so we have to be very very careful 2273 01:39:38,660 --> 01:39:36,240 again that whatever we do come forward 2274 01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:38,670 with is accurate we're obviously going 2275 01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:40,290 to get attacked too I can tell you that 2276 01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:42,330 now that when this film comes out there 2277 01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,250 will be a lot of people who take issue 2278 01:39:48,710 --> 01:39:46,800 with our conclusions and we'll jump all 2279 01:39:51,230 --> 01:39:48,720 over us and try to make the thing again 2280 01:39:52,850 --> 01:39:51,240 look ridiculous and look crazy and we 2281 01:39:55,010 --> 01:39:52,860 just have to you know fight that in the 2282 01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:55,020 most honest way we can well just for our 2283 01:39:59,570 --> 01:39:56,970 listeners sake please understand folks 2284 01:40:01,760 --> 01:39:59,580 this is being produced as a future film 2285 01:40:05,150 --> 01:40:01,770 for movie theaters around the world 2286 01:40:08,150 --> 01:40:05,160 basically this is not your average low 2287 01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:08,160 to medium budget TV documentary having 2288 01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:10,410 been privy to some of the developmental 2289 01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:13,050 stages of this project I can assure 2290 01:40:17,390 --> 01:40:15,570 everybody that Tracy and James really 2291 01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:17,400 have the game face on for this one and 2292 01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:19,410 you know Tracy that brings a really 2293 01:40:24,230 --> 01:40:21,870 interesting point up now the name of the 2294 01:40:26,780 --> 01:40:24,240 film is 701 and that represents what 2295 01:40:28,910 --> 01:40:26,790 five seven percent I think of total Blue 2296 01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:28,920 Book cases these are the ones that 2297 01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:32,370 remain still to this day as unidentified 2298 01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:36,000 or unexplained which of the cases do you 2299 01:40:40,190 --> 01:40:38,400 feel have the most compelling evidence 2300 01:40:42,530 --> 01:40:40,200 that you're going to be featuring and 2301 01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:42,540 what was the process that you went 2302 01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:44,760 through to arrive at the particular 2303 01:40:47,900 --> 01:40:46,380 cases that you're going to be future 2304 01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:47,910 well it was a very interesting process 2305 01:40:51,290 --> 01:40:50,010 which actually were still in them sort 2306 01:40:53,180 --> 01:40:51,300 of in the midst of so we haven't made 2307 01:40:55,250 --> 01:40:53,190 all of our final decisions but we've 2308 01:40:56,510 --> 01:40:55,260 narrowed it down I would say to answer 2309 01:41:00,590 --> 01:40:56,520 your question more directly 2310 01:41:03,950 --> 01:41:00,600 I really believe Lonnie Zamora / Socorro 2311 01:41:06,260 --> 01:41:03,960 case is extremely important you had an 2312 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:06,270 incredibly reliable witnesses witness 2313 01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:08,770 you had other witnesses on the scene 2314 01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:11,050 in very short period of time you had 2315 01:41:16,290 --> 01:41:12,910 physical evidence you had burns on the 2316 01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:16,300 ground burning brush from the object but 2317 01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:19,090 what's really really cool is I've been 2318 01:41:24,630 --> 01:41:21,370 researching another case in La Madera 2319 01:41:27,390 --> 01:41:24,640 New Mexico which happened the day after 2320 01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:27,400 the Lonnie Zamora case and not very far 2321 01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:29,980 away and it really seems like the same 2322 01:41:35,670 --> 01:41:33,010 exact object of Lonnie Zamora saw was 2323 01:41:38,730 --> 01:41:35,680 seen landing by a river in la Madera 2324 01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:38,740 left a very serious burn circle that 2325 01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:40,810 will yes a bunch of beer bottles if I 2326 01:41:44,970 --> 01:41:42,910 remember right that's absolutely right 2327 01:41:46,590 --> 01:41:44,980 and good for you because 99 percent of 2328 01:41:48,270 --> 01:41:46,600 people don't know about well it was 2329 01:41:51,690 --> 01:41:48,280 right over the hump from the San Luis 2330 01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:51,700 Valley so yeah yeah and so there's an 2331 01:41:56,370 --> 01:41:53,920 example of a way where we're taking a 2332 01:41:56,850 --> 01:41:56,380 case that actually has been talked about 2333 01:41:59,550 --> 01:41:56,860 before 2334 01:42:02,370 --> 01:41:59,560 I know unsolved mysteries did it and I 2335 01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:02,380 think UFO hunters may have done it but 2336 01:42:07,710 --> 01:42:05,530 we're really promoting that as an 2337 01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:07,720 extremely important case it's the case 2338 01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:10,030 that changed allen hynek's mind it's 2339 01:42:15,540 --> 01:42:13,030 such a great case that I find it 2340 01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:15,550 fascinating again that the skeptics have 2341 01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,400 done such a miserable job of trying to 2342 01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:20,800 explain it and I guess recently there's 2343 01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:22,960 been a spate of reports that it was a 2344 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:24,670 hoax and it's been proven that it's a 2345 01:42:28,590 --> 01:42:26,770 hoax and I looked into that and the boy 2346 01:42:32,940 --> 01:42:28,600 that was beyond ridiculous there was 2347 01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:32,950 nothing to that whatsoever article 2348 01:42:38,430 --> 01:42:35,650 written by a specific UFO blogger where 2349 01:42:41,220 --> 01:42:38,440 he allegedly had all the goods on it 2350 01:42:43,170 --> 01:42:41,230 being a hoax and when you looked at it 2351 01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:43,180 they kind of fell apart under careful 2352 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:45,310 examination yes and we're looking 2353 01:42:51,150 --> 01:42:48,730 carefully into Lua bog way case we're 2354 01:42:53,790 --> 01:42:51,160 looking into the Virginia Brazil case 2355 01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:53,800 very possibly the Trinidad Highland 2356 01:42:58,710 --> 01:42:56,290 Brazil case these are some that we have 2357 01:43:00,510 --> 01:42:58,720 been is reeling in full and on and you 2358 01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:00,520 know it is an interesting choice it's 2359 01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:01,810 dealer's choice there are so many 2360 01:43:07,110 --> 01:43:04,450 possible ways to go so we're really 2361 01:43:10,740 --> 01:43:07,120 trying to just zero in on the most 2362 01:43:13,140 --> 01:43:10,750 compelling cases which not only will 2363 01:43:14,220 --> 01:43:13,150 interest hopefully the UFO buffs or the 2364 01:43:16,770 --> 01:43:14,230 people that are interested in the 2365 01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:16,780 subject but also people who really don't 2366 01:43:20,959 --> 01:43:18,610 know anything about it and have probably 2367 01:43:23,709 --> 01:43:20,969 never taken it seriously in the past 2368 01:43:26,270 --> 01:43:23,719 firmly firmly of the belief that 2369 01:43:28,900 --> 01:43:26,280 quote-unquote our side on this subject 2370 01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:28,910 is losing okay I think we're losing 2371 01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:31,920 steadily over time I think that the 2372 01:43:36,590 --> 01:43:34,920 naysayers are gaining ground and saying 2373 01:43:38,630 --> 01:43:36,600 more and and you know what I'm sorry to 2374 01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:38,640 aggress here a little bit but I think 2375 01:43:43,550 --> 01:43:41,130 it's important that those of us that 2376 01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:43,560 believe it's a real phenomenon are 2377 01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:46,410 willing to admit certain things that 2378 01:43:51,020 --> 01:43:49,020 most UFO believers don't admit for 2379 01:43:52,340 --> 01:43:51,030 example in my opinion this is only my 2380 01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:52,350 opinion I don't even know for sure if 2381 01:43:58,850 --> 01:43:56,850 James agrees with this we need to be 2382 01:44:02,990 --> 01:43:58,860 honest those of us that believe it's a 2383 01:44:06,670 --> 01:44:03,000 real phenomena with the idea that there 2384 01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:06,680 should be a lot more good UFO videos 2385 01:44:11,150 --> 01:44:09,330 taken now now I'll say that to people 2386 01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:11,160 and they'll say oh you're crazy there's 2387 01:44:14,450 --> 01:44:12,900 great UFO videos they're out all the 2388 01:44:16,580 --> 01:44:14,460 time everybody's shooting them whatever 2389 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:16,590 no I don't think that's true I don't 2390 01:44:21,500 --> 01:44:18,890 think that's true so I am personally 2391 01:44:24,650 --> 01:44:21,510 puzzled by the fact that now that 2392 01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:24,660 everyone has a video camera that we 2393 01:44:30,770 --> 01:44:28,080 don't have many more videos and if what 2394 01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:30,780 it means to me my theory on it is okay 2395 01:44:38,209 --> 01:44:34,530 this is a self concealing phenomenon 2396 01:44:42,500 --> 01:44:38,219 whoever is behind these these events 2397 01:44:44,330 --> 01:44:42,510 does not want the world as a whole to 2398 01:44:46,189 --> 01:44:44,340 really know what they're doing 2399 01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:46,199 the things that we have learned from 2400 01:44:50,780 --> 01:44:48,449 them including abduction things come 2401 01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:50,790 from in spite of them instead of because 2402 01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:52,650 of them if we find something out I'm 2403 01:44:57,650 --> 01:44:54,960 firmly convinced they don't really want 2404 01:44:59,720 --> 01:44:57,660 us to whatever it is they're up to they 2405 01:45:01,280 --> 01:44:59,730 have their own agenda they're not 2406 01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:01,290 interested in going on the Larry King 2407 01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:03,330 show they're not interested in landing 2408 01:45:06,770 --> 01:45:05,040 on the White House lawn they're not 2409 01:45:08,930 --> 01:45:06,780 interested in telling people how many 2410 01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:08,940 alien races are visiting the earth I 2411 01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:11,190 think it's an absolute mystery I think 2412 01:45:15,470 --> 01:45:13,530 it has not been solved we have Tracy 2413 01:45:17,020 --> 01:45:15,480 Torme joining gene and Chris you're in 2414 01:45:28,110 --> 01:45:17,030 Liberec ad 2415 01:45:37,060 --> 01:45:31,260 America's largest independently owned 2416 01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:37,070 communications network see if you want 2417 01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:38,480 to business you need customers right 2418 01:45:41,650 --> 01:45:40,010 well your potential customers are 2419 01:45:43,450 --> 01:45:41,660 listening to this radio program right 2420 01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:43,460 now and I can help you reach them hi I'm 2421 01:45:46,210 --> 01:45:44,810 Matt Brauer a national marketing 2422 01:45:48,190 --> 01:45:46,220 executive at the radio network 2423 01:45:50,110 --> 01:45:48,200 responsible for this program I can help 2424 01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:50,120 you customize a national radio campaign 2425 01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:51,920 that fits your budget large or small 2426 01:45:55,570 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2456 01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:51,989 standard of paranormal radio and now 2457 01:47:59,220 --> 01:47:56,000 here's Jane Steinberg 2458 01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:02,680 Tracy Torme joins Jean and Chris on the 2459 01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:04,130 power-on cast talking about this new 2460 01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:07,360 film 701 and he started discussing 2461 01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:10,639 things of course about their approach to 2462 01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:12,050 UFOs you want to pick up on that 2463 01:48:14,979 --> 01:48:13,730 conversation yeah I just think that we 2464 01:48:17,620 --> 01:48:14,989 need to be honest those of us that 2465 01:48:19,509 --> 01:48:17,630 believe in the phenomena that there are 2466 01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:19,519 certain mysterious aspects that don't 2467 01:48:22,569 --> 01:48:21,170 really fit and I think one of them is 2468 01:48:24,729 --> 01:48:22,579 that we're not getting as many good 2469 01:48:26,979 --> 01:48:24,739 videos as we should so what does that 2470 01:48:28,779 --> 01:48:26,989 mean it might mean that we're that 2471 01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:28,789 they're not flying around in the same 2472 01:48:31,810 --> 01:48:30,110 way they used to and I know a lot of 2473 01:48:34,509 --> 01:48:31,820 people feel that way that it's the 2474 01:48:36,970 --> 01:48:34,519 phenomena has somewhat gone away in some 2475 01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:36,980 ways that's possible I don't firmly 2476 01:48:41,259 --> 01:48:39,650 believe that but that's possible or it 2477 01:48:44,049 --> 01:48:41,269 might be again that it's a self 2478 01:48:47,290 --> 01:48:44,059 concealing technology that they are 2479 01:48:49,029 --> 01:48:47,300 coming here fairly regular basis but 2480 01:48:53,250 --> 01:48:49,039 they are taking steps so they're not 2481 01:48:55,989 --> 01:48:53,260 captured on video in ways that would 2482 01:48:59,620 --> 01:48:55,999 absolutely prove the existence of these 2483 01:49:01,899 --> 01:48:59,630 objects I really believe that it's a 2484 01:49:05,799 --> 01:49:01,909 technological thing and if they're just 2485 01:49:08,169 --> 01:49:05,809 technologically concealing what they're 2486 01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:08,179 doing and so that's the reason that we 2487 01:49:15,819 --> 01:49:12,170 don't see as many as we should I think 2488 01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:15,829 that it's it's only fair for those of us 2489 01:49:19,989 --> 01:49:17,840 on the believer side to admit that I 2490 01:49:22,750 --> 01:49:19,999 mean there should be more good videos 2491 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:22,760 but on the other hands right see what we 2492 01:49:31,870 --> 01:49:28,010 have is this growing kind of Riptide of 2493 01:49:34,359 --> 01:49:31,880 hoax videos and in write mundane objects 2494 01:49:37,140 --> 01:49:34,369 that are shot in such a way that appear 2495 01:49:39,939 --> 01:49:37,150 to be high strange or just out-and-out 2496 01:49:42,459 --> 01:49:39,949 hoaxes I mean there's many sites with 2497 01:49:46,330 --> 01:49:42,469 hundreds of thousands of subscribers on 2498 01:49:48,729 --> 01:49:46,340 YouTube that that are trotting out some 2499 01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,739 of the most ridiculous clips that are 2500 01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:50,719 being taken seriously and believed in 2501 01:49:54,700 --> 01:49:52,249 well I'm really glad to hear you say 2502 01:49:57,250 --> 01:49:54,710 that because I firmly agree with you I 2503 01:50:00,459 --> 01:49:57,260 think there is just so much friggin 2504 01:50:03,009 --> 01:50:00,469 nonsense that's out there and it's a 2505 01:50:04,750 --> 01:50:03,019 shame because when I try to have serious 2506 01:50:07,209 --> 01:50:04,760 conversations with people about this 2507 01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:07,219 subject it took me a long time to ever 2508 01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:09,440 admit that I was really that interested 2509 01:50:12,959 --> 01:50:10,960 in this 2510 01:50:14,850 --> 01:50:12,969 yeah because I didn't really want to 2511 01:50:16,380 --> 01:50:14,860 have the strange looks from people over 2512 01:50:21,150 --> 01:50:16,390 the comments about little green men or 2513 01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,160 whatever so you know I do admit that the 2514 01:50:25,470 --> 01:50:23,440 phenomena is very mysterious and that 2515 01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:25,480 the mystery is very unsolved in a lot of 2516 01:50:30,689 --> 01:50:28,330 ways it's interesting what I would say 2517 01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:30,699 to your viewers I did a mini series of 2518 01:50:35,459 --> 01:50:33,250 for CBS you know many years ago called 2519 01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:35,469 intruders and there's a scene I just 2520 01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:37,390 watched it again for the first time in 2521 01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:40,210 20 years or so and there's a scene where 2522 01:50:46,110 --> 01:50:43,600 a general tells a hypothetical story 2523 01:50:48,209 --> 01:50:46,120 it's all hypothetical of course it's not 2524 01:50:50,970 --> 01:50:48,219 real but tells a hypothetical story 2525 01:50:52,830 --> 01:50:50,980 about what's really behind the phenomena 2526 01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:52,840 and how it really works and why it works 2527 01:50:57,780 --> 01:50:55,330 the way it does and when I watched it it 2528 01:50:59,310 --> 01:50:57,790 just literally like a week ago I'd sort 2529 01:51:00,810 --> 01:50:59,320 of forgotten you know that seemed a 2530 01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:00,820 little bit because I had done so many 2531 01:51:05,580 --> 01:51:03,070 years ago but the things that come out 2532 01:51:07,740 --> 01:51:05,590 of the generals mouth in many ways are 2533 01:51:10,410 --> 01:51:07,750 what James and I have of God opted with 2534 01:51:13,140 --> 01:51:10,420 this movie we take a position here's 2535 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:13,150 what it is here's why it is and here's 2536 01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:14,890 what we may be able to do about it 2537 01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:17,500 there's my little pretty bold man yeah 2538 01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,010 there is no giant conspiracy okay the 2539 01:51:25,650 --> 01:51:23,440 giant conspiracy does not wash in my 2540 01:51:28,050 --> 01:51:25,660 mind but on the other hand of course 2541 01:51:30,150 --> 01:51:28,060 there's got to be a conspiracy because 2542 01:51:32,729 --> 01:51:30,160 some of these events are absolutely real 2543 01:51:34,530 --> 01:51:32,739 and unexplained so I believe one of the 2544 01:51:37,229 --> 01:51:34,540 keys to really understanding the 2545 01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:37,239 phenomena is to face the facts first of 2546 01:51:43,140 --> 01:51:40,690 all that the conspiracy element is still 2547 01:51:45,420 --> 01:51:43,150 so mysterious because everybody has 2548 01:51:47,250 --> 01:51:45,430 assumed for a long long time oh yeah 2549 01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:47,260 they're getting to the bottom of it 2550 01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,730 they're going to release the truth to 2551 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:50,800 the world that's coming any time now I 2552 01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:52,570 remember that was being said to me 2553 01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:54,190 twenty and thirty years ago that it was 2554 01:51:57,900 --> 01:51:55,690 only a matter of days before the 2555 01:52:00,300 --> 01:51:57,910 disclosure was going to come they said 2556 01:52:04,979 --> 01:52:00,310 that in the 1950s major Keough said it 2557 01:52:07,530 --> 01:52:04,989 yeah yeah Steam added in 1993 in Cresto 2558 01:52:08,490 --> 01:52:07,540 ninety days I guarantee at 90 days 2559 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:08,500 Greeks employed 2560 01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:11,050 KCU argued with him up one side and the 2561 01:52:16,530 --> 01:52:13,330 other yeah I gotta tell you he was 2562 01:52:19,740 --> 01:52:16,540 really exactly the type of example of 2563 01:52:21,900 --> 01:52:19,750 what I think is wrong with the study of 2564 01:52:22,810 --> 01:52:21,910 this field that's again it's just 2565 01:52:24,669 --> 01:52:22,820 certain 2566 01:52:28,089 --> 01:52:24,679 claims that were made that are just 2567 01:52:30,300 --> 01:52:28,099 beyond belief so but you know I just 2568 01:52:32,500 --> 01:52:30,310 encourage everybody who's seriously 2569 01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:32,510 interested in this subject stand your 2570 01:52:36,129 --> 01:52:34,610 ground you're on the right side of the 2571 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:36,139 issue even if it doesn't seem like it 2572 01:52:40,990 --> 01:52:38,570 sometimes you're one of the few people 2573 01:52:43,300 --> 01:52:41,000 in the world that's not asleep at the 2574 01:52:46,359 --> 01:52:43,310 wheel that really understands that this 2575 01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:46,369 is is really important and mysterious 2576 01:52:50,770 --> 01:52:49,010 and needs to be solved so I really want 2577 01:52:53,530 --> 01:52:50,780 to encourage anybody who's you know done 2578 01:52:56,169 --> 01:52:53,540 that taking the first steps to look into 2579 01:52:58,959 --> 01:52:56,179 it don't let all the chatter fool you 2580 01:53:01,930 --> 01:52:58,969 and don't be discouraged by people who 2581 01:53:04,419 --> 01:53:01,940 are dishonest naysayers you know search 2582 01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:04,429 for the truth and and I think you'll 2583 01:53:09,010 --> 01:53:06,130 find that it's a really worthwhile 2584 01:53:10,930 --> 01:53:09,020 phenomena well yeah and I think all our 2585 01:53:13,209 --> 01:53:10,940 listeners should take notes on that 2586 01:53:15,609 --> 01:53:13,219 particular subject I think it's really 2587 01:53:17,919 --> 01:53:15,619 important to stand your ground stay here 2588 01:53:20,169 --> 01:53:17,929 your if you think you have beliefs 2589 01:53:22,450 --> 01:53:20,179 around this subject and then by all 2590 01:53:24,399 --> 01:53:22,460 means state them but you know for 2591 01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:24,409 someone like me and I think you and in 2592 01:53:28,990 --> 01:53:26,480 many ways we're still on the fence about 2593 01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:29,000 a lot of these things now Traci you have 2594 01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:30,170 been involved in some pretty 2595 01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:34,250 high-profile projects in Hollywood one 2596 01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,560 of the the most impressive ones I think 2597 01:53:40,990 --> 01:53:38,480 that most of our listeners will be aware 2598 01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:41,000 of is the movie fire in the sky which 2599 01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:44,000 was a a really in-depth look at the 2600 01:53:49,839 --> 01:53:47,360 Travis Walton abduction case in 1975 and 2601 01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:49,849 you got involved in this case very early 2602 01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:52,489 on you've known Travis 40 years almost 2603 01:53:58,720 --> 01:53:56,480 now and you know I think there was some 2604 01:54:00,669 --> 01:53:58,730 consternation among the UFO community 2605 01:54:03,729 --> 01:54:00,679 when the studio kind of hijacked the 2606 01:54:06,609 --> 01:54:03,739 production and totally reinvented some 2607 01:54:09,609 --> 01:54:06,619 of the scenes that were featured in the 2608 01:54:12,129 --> 01:54:09,619 movie while he was aboard the ship you 2609 01:54:15,839 --> 01:54:12,139 know how do you reconcile that 2610 01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:15,849 entertainment versus of factual 2611 01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:18,770 recreation how do you reconcile that in 2612 01:54:23,140 --> 01:54:21,290 your mind thanks for asking about that 2613 01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:23,150 because I always do like to try to let 2614 01:54:28,450 --> 01:54:26,090 the get the record straight on what 2615 01:54:30,129 --> 01:54:28,460 happened it was hard and it was 2616 01:54:32,859 --> 01:54:30,139 difficult because the original script 2617 01:54:34,220 --> 01:54:32,869 followed his original case you know very 2618 01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:34,230 very closely 2619 01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:37,410 fact the entire recreation of everything 2620 01:54:43,220 --> 01:54:39,780 he remembered during the time that he 2621 01:54:45,950 --> 01:54:43,230 was missing was literally step-by-step 2622 01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:45,960 exactly accurate from beginning to end 2623 01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:48,530 in the original script that I wrote 2624 01:54:53,090 --> 01:54:51,330 without getting into a long boring story 2625 01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:53,100 with anybody they ended up making me 2626 01:54:57,740 --> 01:54:55,530 change it because of intruders Dave 2627 01:55:00,020 --> 01:54:57,750 became aware of intruders and decided 2628 01:55:02,930 --> 01:55:00,030 that little green men little gray men 2629 01:55:05,300 --> 01:55:02,940 with big eyes putting people on tables 2630 01:55:07,130 --> 01:55:05,310 and experimenting with them was not a 2631 01:55:09,860 --> 01:55:07,140 unique thing oh my god it's been done 2632 01:55:11,420 --> 01:55:09,870 before oh my god we better change that 2633 01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:11,430 immediately or we're not going to do the 2634 01:55:15,170 --> 01:55:13,650 movie so they were actually ready to 2635 01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:15,180 pull the plug on the movie when we were 2636 01:55:19,940 --> 01:55:18,000 already on the way of doing it and I had 2637 01:55:22,670 --> 01:55:19,950 to work with Travis and with the 2638 01:55:25,820 --> 01:55:22,680 director to actually create an alternate 2639 01:55:27,530 --> 01:55:25,830 sequence we tried to Mirror Mirror what 2640 01:55:30,260 --> 01:55:27,540 happened to him as closely as we could 2641 01:55:32,630 --> 01:55:30,270 but it still was not what I wanted to do 2642 01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:32,640 so just to end this to let you know this 2643 01:55:38,180 --> 01:55:35,130 the first thing that I did was write an 2644 01:55:39,890 --> 01:55:38,190 open letter to the UFO community and say 2645 01:55:41,450 --> 01:55:39,900 that we had to do this and that I knew a 2646 01:55:44,150 --> 01:55:41,460 lot of people right yeah much like 2647 01:55:46,250 --> 01:55:44,160 credit I'm I'm I think thank you but it 2648 01:55:48,020 --> 01:55:46,260 didn't work I got to tell you there were 2649 01:55:50,150 --> 01:55:48,030 you know half the people that watch the 2650 01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:50,160 movie really loved the movie and 2651 01:55:53,930 --> 01:55:52,080 understood what we were doing and why we 2652 01:55:55,610 --> 01:55:53,940 had to do it but there were half the 2653 01:55:57,880 --> 01:55:55,620 other people who were really up in arms 2654 01:56:00,650 --> 01:55:57,890 and you know we're acting like we were 2655 01:56:02,180 --> 01:56:00,660 charlatans to do that and you know it 2656 01:56:04,490 --> 01:56:02,190 wasn't my preference it's not what I 2657 01:56:06,830 --> 01:56:04,500 would have done if I had my way but it 2658 01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:06,840 really was we really had only had no 2659 01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:09,690 choice at that point so it was the 2660 01:56:13,820 --> 01:56:12,450 necessary evil I would say I was going 2661 01:56:16,910 --> 01:56:13,830 to say sometimes you have to make 2662 01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:16,920 compromises but fortunately for this 2663 01:56:21,890 --> 01:56:20,070 particular project you you're sitting 2664 01:56:23,390 --> 01:56:21,900 behind the the creative desk there 2665 01:56:25,490 --> 01:56:23,400 you're gonna be writing the script and 2666 01:56:28,660 --> 01:56:25,500 you don't have those types of handcuffs 2667 01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:28,670 and and those types of let's say 2668 01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:31,530 Hollywood executive producer concerns 2669 01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:34,650 that plague projects like this 2670 01:56:42,530 --> 01:56:37,650 especially projects to the scope that 2671 01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:42,540 you're doing that is true as of now I'm 2672 01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:45,290 glad you say that right again we're 2673 01:56:49,060 --> 01:56:47,130 lucky in that ass 2674 01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:49,070 and you're right about what you said I 2675 01:56:55,180 --> 01:56:52,320 will believe it all done I'll believe it 2676 01:56:59,630 --> 01:56:55,190 so we we definitely have a great 2677 01:57:03,500 --> 01:56:59,640 responsibility again in this film to 2678 01:57:06,230 --> 01:57:03,510 make be true to the subject and by the 2679 01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:06,240 way you can be true in your comments on 2680 01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:08,490 these subjects by visiting our forums 2681 01:57:13,700 --> 01:57:10,980 and forum dot the power cast com 2682 01:57:17,230 --> 01:57:13,710 once again that's forum that the power 2683 01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:17,240 cast com we have Tracy Torme he's 2684 01:57:23,300 --> 01:57:20,970 producer for 701 he's working on the 2685 01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:23,310 project with James Fox you're on with 2686 01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:25,850 Jean and Chris you're in America 2687 01:57:38,209 --> 01:57:35,090 [Music] 2688 01:57:41,689 --> 01:57:38,219 neighbors are you tired of dealing with 2689 01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:41,699 a slow web hosting provider well check 2690 01:57:47,870 --> 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Perik asta 2790 02:02:05,150 --> 02:02:02,100 we have Tracy Torme he's working with 2791 02:02:06,650 --> 02:02:05,160 James Fox on the movies 701 with Gene 2792 02:02:08,420 --> 02:02:06,660 and Chris let me ask you a quick 2793 02:02:12,020 --> 02:02:08,430 question here to kind of move away from 2794 02:02:14,450 --> 02:02:12,030 that for a moment at this point in 2795 02:02:16,190 --> 02:02:14,460 development when do you expect the film 2796 02:02:19,610 --> 02:02:16,200 to be finished when do you expect it to 2797 02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:19,620 be released I would say probably six to 2798 02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:21,450 eight months something like along those 2799 02:02:29,110 --> 02:02:24,570 lines is there a physical release state 2800 02:02:33,230 --> 02:02:29,120 and everything no because we have 2801 02:02:37,700 --> 02:02:33,240 various options as far as investors 2802 02:02:41,350 --> 02:02:37,710 going and we really have different 2803 02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:41,360 choices to go with so it's a little bit 2804 02:02:46,970 --> 02:02:43,890 uncertain when we will actually be 2805 02:02:50,570 --> 02:02:46,980 coming out so this will be intended for 2806 02:02:53,180 --> 02:02:50,580 a normal theatrical distribution yes our 2807 02:02:55,820 --> 02:02:53,190 plan is absolutely to make it a in movie 2808 02:02:57,740 --> 02:02:55,830 theaters that's what we're going for we 2809 02:03:02,360 --> 02:02:57,750 do like they did in some films where 2810 02:03:04,700 --> 02:03:02,370 they released it in movie theaters but 2811 02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:04,710 also the film is released simultaneously 2812 02:03:10,190 --> 02:03:08,330 on pay-per-view interesting way to go 2813 02:03:13,250 --> 02:03:10,200 you know one of the things we're 2814 02:03:14,540 --> 02:03:13,260 considering is Sundance also we're 2815 02:03:17,780 --> 02:03:14,550 considering we thought it would be very 2816 02:03:19,970 --> 02:03:17,790 interesting to do a release at Sundance 2817 02:03:21,980 --> 02:03:19,980 on this subject which I don't think has 2818 02:03:23,300 --> 02:03:21,990 ever been exciting yes I think you're 2819 02:03:25,310 --> 02:03:23,310 right that would be a really good idea 2820 02:03:27,260 --> 02:03:25,320 yeah I would think it'd be it'd be 2821 02:03:29,150 --> 02:03:27,270 really really great so I'm hoping we 2822 02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:29,160 might be able to do that as well well 2823 02:03:33,890 --> 02:03:31,410 Tracy you know for some of our 2824 02:03:36,140 --> 02:03:33,900 first-time listeners and and and folks 2825 02:03:38,270 --> 02:03:36,150 who are you know familiar with your 2826 02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:38,280 track record you know Tracy 2827 02:03:44,030 --> 02:03:41,010 you were seeing you a story editor for 2828 02:03:48,850 --> 02:03:44,040 the inaugural seasons of Star Trek new 2829 02:03:51,350 --> 02:03:48,860 generation you came up with n road and 2830 02:03:55,010 --> 02:03:51,360 totally were in charge of the very 2831 02:03:57,169 --> 02:03:55,020 successful TV show sliders which was one 2832 02:03:58,850 --> 02:03:57,179 of my favorites in the 90s 2833 02:04:01,339 --> 02:03:58,860 I mean you really have an impressive 2834 02:04:03,589 --> 02:04:01,349 track record I think Jeanne mentioned 2835 02:04:05,390 --> 02:04:03,599 earlier when James was on that you 2836 02:04:07,729 --> 02:04:05,400 really helped develop the idea of the 2837 02:04:10,939 --> 02:04:07,739 holodeck and came up with the whole bit 2838 02:04:12,020 --> 02:04:10,949 Sand Hill characters and of the 30s 2839 02:04:14,660 --> 02:04:12,030 holodeck 2840 02:04:16,910 --> 02:04:14,670 vignettes you're a very creative guy I 2841 02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:16,920 mean you co-wrote a book with jock valet 2842 02:04:21,410 --> 02:04:18,570 I mean that to me is the ultimate 2843 02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:21,420 feather in your cap that's why every one 2844 02:04:27,649 --> 02:04:23,689 of my favorite slightly fictionalized 2845 02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:27,659 versions of you know a storyline having 2846 02:04:33,020 --> 02:04:30,570 to do with UFOs now you've really been a 2847 02:04:36,469 --> 02:04:33,030 behind-the-scenes kind of guy if this 2848 02:04:38,899 --> 02:04:36,479 movie takes off and it puts you in the 2849 02:04:40,339 --> 02:04:38,909 spotlight I mean how are you gonna how 2850 02:04:42,500 --> 02:04:40,349 are you gonna deal with that or or have 2851 02:04:45,049 --> 02:04:42,510 you even thought about that well you 2852 02:04:48,379 --> 02:04:45,059 know I try to every I try to take every 2853 02:04:50,449 --> 02:04:48,389 project down one at a time I really 2854 02:04:53,419 --> 02:04:50,459 haven't thought too much to the future 2855 02:04:56,029 --> 02:04:53,429 about you know what if it breaks big or 2856 02:04:59,089 --> 02:04:56,039 what if it explores the phenomena in 2857 02:05:01,069 --> 02:04:59,099 some way that hasn't been done before 2858 02:05:03,770 --> 02:05:01,079 I really haven't really thought I had 2859 02:05:07,549 --> 02:05:03,780 too much about that because we have such 2860 02:05:11,569 --> 02:05:07,559 a big task on our hands our hands that I 2861 02:05:13,429 --> 02:05:11,579 think that we just need to focus this 2862 02:05:15,709 --> 02:05:13,439 one step at a time I know it sounds like 2863 02:05:17,839 --> 02:05:15,719 a cliche but we just want to go one step 2864 02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:17,849 at a time with this and try to make as 2865 02:05:23,810 --> 02:05:21,840 good of a movie as we possibly can try 2866 02:05:26,689 --> 02:05:23,820 to be as careful as we can that we're 2867 02:05:30,589 --> 02:05:26,699 accurate in our information again try it 2868 02:05:32,479 --> 02:05:30,599 into this this this thing that we were 2869 02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:32,489 following which is a sort of trail it's 2870 02:05:38,060 --> 02:05:35,130 been put out for us by this source that 2871 02:05:41,989 --> 02:05:38,070 we're pursuing I think our biggest 2872 02:05:44,689 --> 02:05:41,999 challenge is again making 7:01 be 2873 02:05:47,149 --> 02:05:44,699 something that is in in many ways a bit 2874 02:05:50,660 --> 02:05:47,159 different than what's been done before I 2875 02:05:52,729 --> 02:05:50,670 think that that is really what we really 2876 02:05:55,310 --> 02:05:52,739 are you know struggling with to make 2877 02:05:56,839 --> 02:05:55,320 sure that we do a good job of this and I 2878 02:05:59,719 --> 02:05:56,849 think James and I are of the same 2879 02:06:02,029 --> 02:05:59,729 mindset on this any field could use a 2880 02:06:04,790 --> 02:06:02,039 paradigm shift it's this one in terms of 2881 02:06:07,580 --> 02:06:04,800 how this information is is passed along 2882 02:06:10,129 --> 02:06:07,590 disseminated out to culture this has 2883 02:06:13,820 --> 02:06:10,139 been always a major stumbling block for 2884 02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:13,830 the actual you know legitimacy of this 2885 02:06:19,580 --> 02:06:17,520 particular Avenue the study I really I'm 2886 02:06:22,390 --> 02:06:19,590 really excited for you guys and I think 2887 02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:22,400 that this this really does in my mind 2888 02:06:27,770 --> 02:06:25,170 represent a very definite step forward 2889 02:06:30,770 --> 02:06:27,780 in how we communicate this kind of 2890 02:06:32,689 --> 02:06:30,780 information about this subject to the 2891 02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:32,699 culture and that's I think really 2892 02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:35,130 important not really shape that I'd 2893 02:06:40,729 --> 02:06:37,530 really do well I'm Tracy I couldn't 2894 02:06:43,879 --> 02:06:40,739 think of a better team of filmmakers in 2895 02:06:46,820 --> 02:06:43,889 in a better writer to be involved in 2896 02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:46,830 this I work on the movie contact which a 2897 02:06:50,990 --> 02:06:49,530 lot of people don't know oh really yeah 2898 02:06:54,950 --> 02:06:51,000 that I worked on that and I remember I 2899 02:06:56,780 --> 02:06:54,960 felt a great responsibility when I did 2900 02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:56,790 work on that for a while that I thought 2901 02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:59,040 that it was such a momentous subject the 2902 02:07:03,530 --> 02:07:01,679 way contact was being you know presented 2903 02:07:05,390 --> 02:07:03,540 to the world and I felt a certain 2904 02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:05,400 responsibility to Travis Walton and 2905 02:07:10,850 --> 02:07:07,650 people like that to tell their story in 2906 02:07:12,830 --> 02:07:10,860 a true way as I could and I feel the 2907 02:07:15,560 --> 02:07:12,840 same type of thing with 7:01 I mean I 2908 02:07:19,010 --> 02:07:15,570 really feel like we have a pretty big 2909 02:07:21,169 --> 02:07:19,020 responsibility if we aim for this and 2910 02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:21,179 don't do it correctly it's really going 2911 02:07:25,070 --> 02:07:22,800 to be a huge disappointment and I will 2912 02:07:26,570 --> 02:07:25,080 be very letdown that we didn't try to 2913 02:07:29,859 --> 02:07:26,580 achieve something a bit different 2914 02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:29,869 I really hope after 7:01 comes out I 2915 02:07:36,530 --> 02:07:33,570 really hope that the audience out there 2916 02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:36,540 the larger audience will take another 2917 02:07:39,590 --> 02:07:38,880 serious look at this in ways they 2918 02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:39,600 haven't before 2919 02:07:46,419 --> 02:07:43,679 it's it's one of my fervent hopes that 2920 02:07:49,790 --> 02:07:46,429 we will open up some eyes in new ways 2921 02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:49,800 well having said that I let's say that 2922 02:07:54,590 --> 02:07:52,770 this is part of an unfolding process of 2923 02:07:56,419 --> 02:07:54,600 people being properly educated about 2924 02:07:59,930 --> 02:07:56,429 this particular subject in your 2925 02:08:02,390 --> 02:07:59,940 estimation where should we be looking as 2926 02:08:03,890 --> 02:08:02,400 you have for investigators and people 2927 02:08:06,700 --> 02:08:03,900 interested in the paranormal in general 2928 02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:06,710 how should we be looking down the road 2929 02:08:13,340 --> 02:08:10,170 into that glass darkly and looking at 2930 02:08:15,740 --> 02:08:13,350 what we need to do how our methodologies 2931 02:08:18,379 --> 02:08:15,750 need to change do you have any sense of 2932 02:08:18,919 --> 02:08:18,389 a direction that that the study of this 2933 02:08:21,890 --> 02:08:18,929 subject 2934 02:08:22,810 --> 02:08:21,900 UFOs should progress now in the future 2935 02:08:25,660 --> 02:08:22,820 well 2936 02:08:28,180 --> 02:08:25,670 I really love the book by and ruffle 2937 02:08:30,430 --> 02:08:28,190 about James McDonald I've been 2938 02:08:33,609 --> 02:08:30,440 interested in him for a very very long 2939 02:08:35,950 --> 02:08:33,619 time he's a sort of a hero of mine and 2940 02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:35,960 we were very strongly considering doing 2941 02:08:41,740 --> 02:08:38,000 something on James McDonald in the film 2942 02:08:43,060 --> 02:08:41,750 and I think the answer to your question 2943 02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:43,070 it's a little bit of a round way to get 2944 02:08:49,180 --> 02:08:46,010 to it but James McDonald was a guy who 2945 02:08:51,459 --> 02:08:49,190 followed the truth was absolutely 2946 02:08:54,310 --> 02:08:51,469 fearless told the truth 2947 02:08:57,580 --> 02:08:54,320 stepped out boldly didn't worry about 2948 02:09:00,220 --> 02:08:57,590 getting assailed by skeptics by other 2949 02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:00,230 scientists and James McDonald in some 2950 02:09:07,020 --> 02:09:03,199 ways was that way too but people like 2951 02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:07,030 what we really need are really top 2952 02:09:16,689 --> 02:09:11,810 first-rate people take the the phenomena 2953 02:09:19,419 --> 02:09:16,699 seriously and we need modern-day James 2954 02:09:21,220 --> 02:09:19,429 McDonald's I think good point very 2955 02:09:23,740 --> 02:09:21,230 interesting guy for people to look at 2956 02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:23,750 his history and I don't really 2957 02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:27,530 understand why there aren't many many 2958 02:09:34,089 --> 02:09:30,560 more people of a serious scientific 2959 02:09:37,390 --> 02:09:34,099 nature who are brave enough who are bold 2960 02:09:39,609 --> 02:09:37,400 enough to step forward and tell the 2961 02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:39,619 truth of this phenomena and I'd really 2962 02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:42,050 believe there are very few people who 2963 02:09:48,310 --> 02:09:44,810 are not total cowards when it comes to 2964 02:09:50,109 --> 02:09:48,320 this from the journalist you know mm-hm 2965 02:09:52,899 --> 02:09:50,119 and wasn't from the scientific state 2966 02:09:54,879 --> 02:09:52,909 side they just are kind of cowards when 2967 02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:54,889 it comes to this subject and all they 2968 02:09:58,959 --> 02:09:56,480 have to do is 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McDonald Tracy does it make 3079 02:15:07,149 --> 02:15:04,369 sense at all to make a movie about his 3080 02:15:09,879 --> 02:15:07,159 life is there a story there a docudrama 3081 02:15:12,310 --> 02:15:09,889 something I think it's a little bit 3082 02:15:15,310 --> 02:15:12,320 inside baseball to really be honest with 3083 02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:15,320 you I think in order to become a major 3084 02:15:20,770 --> 02:15:17,840 movie and I did think about it for a 3085 02:15:23,919 --> 02:15:20,780 while I don't think there is enough 3086 02:15:27,100 --> 02:15:23,929 general interest amongst the general 3087 02:15:29,339 --> 02:15:27,110 populace basically to really you know 3088 02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:29,349 have enough material to do a few hours 3089 02:15:34,450 --> 02:15:32,690 about McDonald's I think though on the 3090 02:15:37,419 --> 02:15:34,460 other hand that if we could do something 3091 02:15:41,109 --> 02:15:37,429 that was kind of you know limited in its 3092 02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:41,119 scope to a certain extent in 701 I think 3093 02:15:46,060 --> 02:15:43,280 his story is really really fascinating 3094 02:15:49,569 --> 02:15:46,070 and I was really glad that you know and 3095 02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:49,579 ruffle did a very brave piece of work 3096 02:15:54,430 --> 02:15:52,159 about McDonald that's one of the things 3097 02:15:57,310 --> 02:15:54,440 I don't think has been really brought 3098 02:16:01,359 --> 02:15:57,320 out too much by most UFO documentaries 3099 02:16:03,129 --> 02:16:01,369 and I believe that McDonald is such an 3100 02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:03,139 interesting character and there's so 3101 02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:05,599 much about him that I really think 3102 02:16:09,790 --> 02:16:07,250 there's a really good chance we will do 3103 02:16:14,020 --> 02:16:09,800 something compelling although relatively 3104 02:16:15,759 --> 02:16:14,030 brief on McDonald in 701 you know 3105 02:16:18,759 --> 02:16:15,769 excellent he definitely deserves a 3106 02:16:21,879 --> 02:16:18,769 mention he was a real hero to many 3107 02:16:23,979 --> 02:16:21,889 people at the time and and he was like 3108 02:16:26,490 --> 02:16:23,989 like a go-to guy that you could really 3109 02:16:28,779 --> 02:16:26,500 depend on in terms of really being 3110 02:16:31,689 --> 02:16:28,789 dispassionate and scientifically 3111 02:16:33,610 --> 02:16:31,699 rational about what he what is thinking 3112 02:16:35,799 --> 02:16:33,620 was and how he how he communicated that 3113 02:16:38,259 --> 02:16:35,809 yeah it's really wonderful to see how he 3114 02:16:40,809 --> 02:16:38,269 just stood up to all the idiots you know 3115 02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:40,819 and he was willing to really be brave 3116 02:16:46,450 --> 02:16:43,490 enough to really pursue the truth and I 3117 02:16:48,099 --> 02:16:46,460 understand because I knew John Mack when 3118 02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:48,109 I worked on intruders he was all one of 3119 02:16:51,889 --> 02:16:49,290 our consultants 3120 02:16:54,830 --> 02:16:51,899 and I saw the way that he was absolutely 3121 02:16:56,660 --> 02:16:54,840 you know just really what's the right 3122 02:17:00,349 --> 02:16:56,670 word for it I mean he just really paid a 3123 02:17:03,049 --> 02:17:00,359 price to say there was something lasted 3124 02:17:06,589 --> 02:17:03,059 yeah and I really believe that McDonald 3125 02:17:08,269 --> 02:17:06,599 had to deal with a lot of really you 3126 02:17:10,190 --> 02:17:08,279 know pretty terrible things I mean the 3127 02:17:12,799 --> 02:17:10,200 guy committed suicide and there's a lot 3128 02:17:15,410 --> 02:17:12,809 of you know controversy about why he did 3129 02:17:17,059 --> 02:17:15,420 it of course a lot of the conspiracy 3130 02:17:19,730 --> 02:17:17,069 theorists believe that he was killed or 3131 02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:19,740 something but I don't think so but but 3132 02:17:25,549 --> 02:17:23,010 anyway it makes the great drama yes and 3133 02:17:29,059 --> 02:17:25,559 the way that he you know came forth and 3134 02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:29,069 really did such great work for I don't 3135 02:17:34,370 --> 02:17:32,250 remember how many years I just really 3136 02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:34,380 really admire him I think what he did 3137 02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:36,960 was really fantastic so if we can bring 3138 02:17:40,969 --> 02:17:39,330 a little bit about what he did to the 3139 02:17:43,759 --> 02:17:40,979 world I would really love to do that 3140 02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:43,769 excellent well what direction do you 3141 02:17:48,860 --> 02:17:45,599 think ufology should be going right now 3142 02:17:50,870 --> 02:17:48,870 should we be you know just saying okay 3143 02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:50,880 enough data is enough let's analyze what 3144 02:17:57,370 --> 02:17:54,450 we have should we be wiring up 3145 02:17:59,900 --> 02:17:57,380 surveillance systems at hot spot areas 3146 02:18:02,269 --> 02:17:59,910 where do you see this whole morass of a 3147 02:18:04,610 --> 02:18:02,279 field going I mean well withering and 3148 02:18:06,410 --> 02:18:04,620 dying on the vine we were looking for a 3149 02:18:09,049 --> 02:18:06,420 case that has never been really talked 3150 02:18:11,809 --> 02:18:09,059 about before or has only been talked 3151 02:18:13,490 --> 02:18:11,819 about in very few places so that's one 3152 02:18:17,809 --> 02:18:13,500 thing we're looking for is the really 3153 02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:17,819 great new virgin case that again has not 3154 02:18:22,250 --> 02:18:20,729 been really seen very much before well 3155 02:18:23,900 --> 02:18:22,260 I've got any visuals for you if you're 3156 02:18:25,490 --> 02:18:23,910 interested oh well that's great we 3157 02:18:26,870 --> 02:18:25,500 absolutely are interested in that that's 3158 02:18:29,299 --> 02:18:26,880 one of the main things we're looking for 3159 02:18:31,129 --> 02:18:29,309 so that's one thing we really want to do 3160 02:18:33,530 --> 02:18:31,139 another thing that I really am 3161 02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:33,540 interested in doing I never was 3162 02:18:39,230 --> 02:18:36,090 interested really in pilots in the past 3163 02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:39,240 I always knew a little bit about it but 3164 02:18:42,769 --> 02:18:40,649 it was never something that I was that 3165 02:18:45,769 --> 02:18:42,779 interested in but I'm absolutely 3166 02:18:48,769 --> 02:18:45,779 fascinated now by some of these pilot 3167 02:18:51,950 --> 02:18:48,779 cases I think the fact that so many 3168 02:18:54,259 --> 02:18:51,960 pilots are browbeaten into never coming 3169 02:18:56,089 --> 02:18:54,269 forward with things they've seen the 3170 02:18:58,940 --> 02:18:56,099 fact that they'd be some of these 3171 02:19:01,759 --> 02:18:58,950 sightings are not really looked at the 3172 02:19:02,640 --> 02:19:01,769 fact that so many pilots are not able to 3173 02:19:05,300 --> 02:19:02,650 come forward 3174 02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:05,310 and talk about what they've seen I think 3175 02:19:12,990 --> 02:19:08,650 we are trying to break through all of 3176 02:19:17,419 --> 02:19:13,000 the the things which we found which show 3177 02:19:20,610 --> 02:19:17,429 that so many people who are pilots are 3178 02:19:22,620 --> 02:19:20,620 so afraid again of coming forward and 3179 02:19:24,450 --> 02:19:22,630 saying what they've seen there's just 3180 02:19:27,330 --> 02:19:24,460 such an incredible way where all of 3181 02:19:29,910 --> 02:19:27,340 these people are just you know told very 3182 02:19:32,459 --> 02:19:29,920 much that they better keep quiet or not 3183 02:19:35,220 --> 02:19:32,469 come forward or they're ridiculed when 3184 02:19:37,530 --> 02:19:35,230 lose oh yeah I would love to do 3185 02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:37,540 something about pilots and see if we 3186 02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:40,000 could find some people who were willing 3187 02:19:46,320 --> 02:19:42,610 to again show the same kind of courage 3188 02:19:49,591 --> 02:19:46,330 that McDonald showed we're gonna love to 3189 02:19:51,710 --> 02:19:49,601 find some really excellent pilots who 3190 02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:51,720 will come forward and say I don't care 3191 02:19:55,950 --> 02:19:54,010 you know what I've been told about not 3192 02:19:58,080 --> 02:19:55,960 coming forward I really would like the 3193 02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:58,090 world to know what I've seen and that's 3194 02:20:05,430 --> 02:19:59,920 some place where right now we don't have 3195 02:20:09,570 --> 02:20:05,440 all of the cases in pilot places or how 3196 02:20:13,620 --> 02:20:09,580 do I even say it they we're looking for 3197 02:20:16,470 --> 02:20:13,630 some great pilot cases which we are also 3198 02:20:18,180 --> 02:20:16,480 still looking for so I let Leslie cane 3199 02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:18,190 you mentioned reading her book and 3200 02:20:24,450 --> 02:20:21,010 becoming really inspired by some of the 3201 02:20:26,850 --> 02:20:24,460 accounts a very riveting accounts in the 3202 02:20:29,220 --> 02:20:26,860 case of that book I mean there's some 3203 02:20:31,620 --> 02:20:29,230 very good pilot cases I think it was 3204 02:20:34,801 --> 02:20:31,630 what a Chilean Air Force or Brazilian 3205 02:20:37,620 --> 02:20:34,811 Air Force encounter with a huge craft he 3206 02:20:40,051 --> 02:20:37,630 fired 30 rounds I think with 30 3207 02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:40,061 millimeter cannon fire and it absorbed 3208 02:20:45,560 --> 02:20:42,730 the rounds Richard Gaines of course who 3209 02:20:48,120 --> 02:20:45,570 has probably considered the preeminent 3210 02:20:50,551 --> 02:20:48,130 historian when it comes to pilot 3211 02:20:52,830 --> 02:20:50,561 encounters he has a bunch of really good 3212 02:20:56,430 --> 02:20:52,840 cases so that might be a good place to 3213 02:20:58,650 --> 02:20:56,440 Woods to do some quick research and 3214 02:21:01,170 --> 02:20:58,660 maybe dig out some of the lesser known 3215 02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:01,180 cases that which attains has and and 3216 02:21:04,920 --> 02:21:02,890 also those are those great cases and 3217 02:21:07,591 --> 02:21:04,930 Leslie Keens well well you would really 3218 02:21:09,180 --> 02:21:07,601 think that if somebody is flying in a 3219 02:21:11,011 --> 02:21:09,190 you know is there they're flying along 3220 02:21:13,410 --> 02:21:11,021 and they see something unbelievable 3221 02:21:16,020 --> 02:21:13,420 seeing while they're flying and they see 3222 02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:16,030 something that they see at a close range 3223 02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:18,160 it's an incredible thing that they want 3224 02:21:22,770 --> 02:21:20,530 the world to know about you would think 3225 02:21:24,810 --> 02:21:22,780 that it'd be pretty simple that people 3226 02:21:27,211 --> 02:21:24,820 that have really seen something would 3227 02:21:29,610 --> 02:21:27,221 come forward would say we don't really 3228 02:21:32,730 --> 02:21:29,620 know what these things are I'm not sure 3229 02:21:35,430 --> 02:21:32,740 what I saw I can't tell you who it was 3230 02:21:37,921 --> 02:21:35,440 or what I saw but that's the way it 3231 02:21:38,430 --> 02:21:37,931 should work right yeah and romantic 3232 02:21:40,591 --> 02:21:38,440 world 3233 02:21:42,390 --> 02:21:40,601 yeah good pilots should just say well 3234 02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:42,400 look what I saw it's really interesting 3235 02:21:45,990 --> 02:21:44,650 and I'm just telling the world what I 3236 02:21:48,810 --> 02:21:46,000 saw and that's it that's the way it 3237 02:21:51,211 --> 02:21:48,820 should work in other words there's 3238 02:21:53,671 --> 02:21:51,221 pilots out there that have had unusual 3239 02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:53,681 sighting experiences they have sterling 3240 02:21:59,610 --> 02:21:57,280 records spotless reputations they're 3241 02:22:01,860 --> 02:21:59,620 they're considered you know valued 3242 02:22:03,780 --> 02:22:01,870 employees of their particular airlines 3243 02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:03,790 or branch of the military let's say and 3244 02:22:08,610 --> 02:22:06,250 they have these inexplicable experiences 3245 02:22:12,330 --> 02:22:08,620 but it's the the the fear and stigma 3246 02:22:15,511 --> 02:22:12,340 ridicule of judgment of possibly 3247 02:22:18,261 --> 02:22:15,521 jeopardizing your your pension if these 3248 02:22:20,461 --> 02:22:18,271 types of cultural and societal 3249 02:22:23,490 --> 02:22:20,471 considerations that keep them from being 3250 02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:23,500 honest and saying hey you know me and 3251 02:22:27,270 --> 02:22:25,210 you know I wouldn't make this up this is 3252 02:22:29,610 --> 02:22:27,280 what I saw and somebody should be paying 3253 02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:29,620 attention let me just raise a question 3254 02:22:35,970 --> 02:22:32,290 then we'll do or break that is something 3255 02:22:38,970 --> 02:22:35,980 to consider here Tracy and that is we 3256 02:22:40,501 --> 02:22:38,980 see pilots being reluctant to report a 3257 02:22:42,870 --> 02:22:40,511 UFO encounter I think of the seeming 3258 02:22:46,830 --> 02:22:42,880 Close Encounters of the Third Kind where 3259 02:22:50,220 --> 02:22:46,840 they're showing pilots seeing UFOs early 3260 02:22:52,591 --> 02:22:50,230 on and the air-traffic Tower says do you 3261 02:22:55,051 --> 02:22:52,601 want to report a UFO and the pilot says 3262 02:22:58,080 --> 02:22:55,061 no and I wonder here how many UFO 3263 02:22:59,820 --> 02:22:58,090 sightings go unreported because the 3264 02:23:01,440 --> 02:22:59,830 pilot just doesn't want to get involved 3265 02:23:03,961 --> 02:23:01,450 they don't want to wreck their career 3266 02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:03,971 it's hard enough being a pilot now the 3267 02:23:08,820 --> 02:23:06,370 pay isn't as good as it used to be so 3268 02:23:10,801 --> 02:23:08,830 why put up with this aggravation what do 3269 02:23:14,190 --> 02:23:10,811 you think Tracy I think the point that I 3270 02:23:18,390 --> 02:23:14,200 want to raise here is that there is an 3271 02:23:20,940 --> 02:23:18,400 inherent reason for pilots not to want 3272 02:23:23,461 --> 02:23:20,950 to get involved and so how do you change 3273 02:23:25,620 --> 02:23:23,471 that or can you change that yes we 3274 02:23:28,591 --> 02:23:25,630 understand that the regulations require 3275 02:23:29,730 --> 02:23:28,601 them reporting UFOs in certain ways they 3276 02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:29,740 don't want to mess up their 3277 02:23:35,430 --> 02:23:32,290 careers we understand all the obstacles 3278 02:23:37,530 --> 02:23:35,440 that are involved in pilots reporting 3279 02:23:40,320 --> 02:23:37,540 strange things in the sky and of course 3280 02:23:42,530 --> 02:23:40,330 what this means here is that there are 3281 02:23:45,720 --> 02:23:42,540 probably really crazy things happening 3282 02:23:47,310 --> 02:23:45,730 out there in the sky is in the friendly 3283 02:23:49,020 --> 02:23:47,320 skies or whatever we call them nowadays 3284 02:23:50,850 --> 02:23:49,030 well I guess it's not friendly sky 3285 02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:50,860 anymore you're stuck in a sardine can 3286 02:23:56,280 --> 02:23:53,530 the seats are close together it's not 3287 02:23:59,011 --> 02:23:56,290 fun to fly and you have to realize that 3288 02:24:00,930 --> 02:23:59,021 the pilots who see anything strange they 3289 02:24:02,881 --> 02:24:00,940 don't want to say anything about it they 3290 02:24:05,011 --> 02:24:02,891 certainly hope the passengers didn't see 3291 02:24:06,690 --> 02:24:05,021 anything and they'll probably do what 3292 02:24:09,990 --> 02:24:06,700 they can to discourage it we don't want 3293 02:24:14,580 --> 02:24:10,000 to discourage Tracy Torme because he's a 3294 02:24:16,591 --> 02:24:14,590 producer working with James Fox on 701 3295 02:24:18,060 --> 02:24:16,601 gonna be a real fascinating film from 3296 02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:18,070 what he tells us with Gene and Chris 3297 02:24:30,761 --> 02:24:27,911 independently leading the way for the 3298 02:24:34,951 --> 02:24:30,771 nation's compelling talk for every 3299 02:24:37,631 --> 02:24:34,961 political persuasion we are G C and 3300 02:24:39,581 --> 02:24:37,641 attack of the rock ODEs has been well 3301 02:24:41,411 --> 02:24:39,591 received by critics and readers alike 3302 02:24:43,961 --> 02:24:41,421 it's a thrill a minute story you'll 3303 02:24:46,301 --> 02:24:43,971 never forget a former US military 3304 02:24:48,581 --> 02:24:46,311 intelligence officer is haunted by 3305 02:24:51,220 --> 02:24:48,591 intense dreams about a beautiful woman 3306 02:24:53,951 --> 02:24:51,230 pleading for his help after a terrible 3307 02:24:56,081 --> 02:24:53,961 battle in outer space but the dreams 3308 02:24:57,911 --> 02:24:56,091 turn out to be true and thrust him into 3309 02:25:00,761 --> 02:24:57,921 a telepathic love affair with a woman 3310 02:25:03,100 --> 02:25:00,771 whose 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antioxidants for reducing the 3381 02:27:54,900 --> 02:27:53,290 damage from stress it's called pollen 3382 02:27:57,480 --> 02:27:54,910 bursts and it's a natural burst of 3383 02:27:59,580 --> 02:27:57,490 energy that lasts for hours now most 3384 02:28:02,610 --> 02:27:59,590 energy drinks rely on a massive dose of 3385 02:28:04,470 --> 02:28:02,620 caffeine sugar or even vitamin B pollen 3386 02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:04,480 burst takes a more balanced approach and 3387 02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:06,610 that's why I like it I also love the 3388 02:28:11,190 --> 02:28:08,080 fact that pollen burst has plenty of 3389 02:28:13,801 --> 02:28:11,200 vitamin D and green tea extract this is 3390 02:28:15,301 --> 02:28:13,811 the best energy drink I've ever tried so 3391 02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:15,311 trust me you'll not only like it better 3392 02:28:19,560 --> 02:28:17,050 than the others you'll love the way it's 3393 02:28:21,450 --> 02:28:19,570 individually packaged for freshness as 3394 02:28:23,460 --> 02:28:21,460 well they've got these on the go stick 3395 02:28:25,650 --> 02:28:23,470 packs they're great pollen burst it's 3396 02:28:41,750 --> 02:28:25,660 available at Jason Lewis team.com 3397 02:28:46,290 --> 02:28:42,890 [Music] 3398 02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:46,300 this is the wrong flower cluster of vf1 3399 02:28:53,349 --> 02:28:48,250 Cyclopes in other books when you're 3400 02:28:58,729 --> 02:28:57,019 on this final segment of the power cast 3401 02:29:01,099 --> 02:28:58,739 of gene and Chris we're talking again to 3402 02:29:03,710 --> 02:29:01,109 Tracey Torme we've been covering his 3403 02:29:06,950 --> 02:29:03,720 plans and the plans of his colleague 3404 02:29:09,170 --> 02:29:06,960 James Fox and producing this movie 701 3405 02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:09,180 which is going to cover cases not 3406 02:29:15,260 --> 02:29:13,050 commonly covered in other UFO movies now 3407 02:29:18,189 --> 02:29:15,270 one of the things we always look forward 3408 02:29:21,950 --> 02:29:18,199 to here is a discussion about whether 3409 02:29:24,620 --> 02:29:21,960 number one the government has real 3410 02:29:26,630 --> 02:29:24,630 guilty knowledge about UFOs and whether 3411 02:29:29,240 --> 02:29:26,640 they can be persuaded to disclose it 3412 02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:29,250 what a movie have any impact there well 3413 02:29:32,840 --> 02:29:30,720 you know there's all this stuff about 3414 02:29:34,460 --> 02:29:32,850 the disclosure movement and I'm kind of 3415 02:29:36,860 --> 02:29:34,470 dubious about it I don't really see much 3416 02:29:39,410 --> 02:29:36,870 of a pattern of the people in the know 3417 02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:39,420 coming forward would love it to happen I 3418 02:29:42,200 --> 02:29:40,890 can't think of anything in this world I 3419 02:29:45,290 --> 02:29:42,210 would love more than to happen than that 3420 02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:45,300 but I don't really expect it my friend 3421 02:29:48,769 --> 02:29:47,010 Bryce is able I know wrote a co-wrote a 3422 02:29:50,570 --> 02:29:48,779 book about it and I didn't really want 3423 02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:50,580 to tell him that I really didn't believe 3424 02:29:54,800 --> 02:29:51,930 in this because he was so enthused about 3425 02:29:57,559 --> 02:29:54,810 it but I don't know we really kind of 3426 02:30:00,229 --> 02:29:57,569 hope that our film might move something 3427 02:30:03,019 --> 02:30:00,239 forward we really do because we're 3428 02:30:06,139 --> 02:30:03,029 making the case for why the people in 3429 02:30:08,689 --> 02:30:06,149 the know have kept this such a secret 3430 02:30:11,420 --> 02:30:08,699 and have done so much long and so much 3431 02:30:13,099 --> 02:30:11,430 disinformation so we're making the case 3432 02:30:14,929 --> 02:30:13,109 hey now's a good time to come forward 3433 02:30:16,639 --> 02:30:14,939 you know we're sort of giving you the 3434 02:30:18,439 --> 02:30:16,649 way that come forward if you think it's 3435 02:30:20,990 --> 02:30:18,449 the color time is right and I kind of 3436 02:30:23,210 --> 02:30:21,000 suspect the reason there's so much 3437 02:30:26,059 --> 02:30:23,220 secrecy first of all I believe in a very 3438 02:30:27,830 --> 02:30:26,069 very small conspiracy I don't believe in 3439 02:30:29,510 --> 02:30:27,840 a massive conspiracy I don't believe the 3440 02:30:31,099 --> 02:30:29,520 president and everybody is sitting 3441 02:30:32,899 --> 02:30:31,109 around talking about UFOs I don't 3442 02:30:35,059 --> 02:30:32,909 believe it I believe it's a small group 3443 02:30:37,969 --> 02:30:35,069 that really knows what's going on and 3444 02:30:41,389 --> 02:30:37,979 they've gotten into the habit of keeping 3445 02:30:43,070 --> 02:30:41,399 it hidden for many many years and I sort 3446 02:30:45,559 --> 02:30:43,080 of believe that if the day ever came 3447 02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:45,569 where they had definitive answers to 3448 02:30:49,399 --> 02:30:47,010 what these things were where they're 3449 02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:49,409 from what they want they would possibly 3450 02:30:53,809 --> 02:30:52,170 very possibly come forward so I think 3451 02:30:55,639 --> 02:30:53,819 that day hasn't come yet 3452 02:30:57,950 --> 02:30:55,649 and I think they're just too used to 3453 02:31:00,530 --> 02:30:57,960 their own habit of covering everything 3454 02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:00,540 up so that's what they're continuing to 3455 02:31:02,479 --> 02:31:02,010 do because it's worked pretty well so 3456 02:31:04,460 --> 02:31:02,489 far 3457 02:31:06,650 --> 02:31:04,470 it's made the subject look ridiculous 3458 02:31:08,420 --> 02:31:06,660 for most people you say a small group 3459 02:31:10,790 --> 02:31:08,430 yeah what are we talking about I assume 3460 02:31:13,341 --> 02:31:10,800 the president is not in the pecking 3461 02:31:14,660 --> 02:31:13,351 order here I assume the same thing I 3462 02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:14,670 don't think he is because it would leak 3463 02:31:18,530 --> 02:31:17,010 like a Sith so I don't think so I think 3464 02:31:20,930 --> 02:31:18,540 you've got to look at why it hasn't 3465 02:31:22,220 --> 02:31:20,940 leaked in more significant ways right 3466 02:31:25,761 --> 02:31:22,230 one of the things I've always wondered 3467 02:31:28,580 --> 02:31:25,771 was why didn't Mike Wallace not ever go 3468 02:31:30,261 --> 02:31:28,590 into UFOs see there was so much evidence 3469 02:31:32,270 --> 02:31:30,271 for it and say wow this is an amazing 3470 02:31:34,940 --> 02:31:32,280 story I've got to come forward with this 3471 02:31:36,830 --> 02:31:34,950 none of them do none of them do because 3472 02:31:38,660 --> 02:31:36,840 they've come to believe that it's it's 3473 02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:38,670 all silly it's all like Santa Claus 3474 02:31:42,560 --> 02:31:41,010 whoever wanted that impression out there 3475 02:31:44,030 --> 02:31:42,570 has done a very good job of it even 3476 02:31:45,620 --> 02:31:44,040 though I think they're villains in a 3477 02:31:47,870 --> 02:31:45,630 certain way but they've done a good job 3478 02:31:50,990 --> 02:31:47,880 so I think it's a it's a very small 3479 02:31:53,110 --> 02:31:51,000 group I wouldn't pretend to know how big 3480 02:31:56,301 --> 02:31:53,120 they are I think they're more than MJ 12 3481 02:31:57,680 --> 02:31:56,311 more than 12 guys but I don't think it's 3482 02:32:00,020 --> 02:31:57,690 very many I think there's very few 3483 02:32:02,890 --> 02:32:00,030 people in the know and if a real event 3484 02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:02,900 happens they make sure to check it out 3485 02:32:07,220 --> 02:32:04,650 investigate it and see if there's 3486 02:32:09,801 --> 02:32:07,230 anything behind it I mean and there are 3487 02:32:13,131 --> 02:32:09,811 definitely people at high levels of our 3488 02:32:15,230 --> 02:32:13,141 bureaucracy somewhere who know this 3489 02:32:16,730 --> 02:32:15,240 stuff is real I really believe there's 3490 02:32:18,950 --> 02:32:16,740 absolutely some people that know it's 3491 02:32:21,381 --> 02:32:18,960 real but they have been lying about it 3492 02:32:23,870 --> 02:32:21,391 for just too long okay we understand 3493 02:32:26,810 --> 02:32:23,880 that but what do they know 3494 02:32:28,850 --> 02:32:26,820 do they know who's responsible what's 3495 02:32:30,830 --> 02:32:28,860 responsible where it comes from or is it 3496 02:32:32,780 --> 02:32:30,840 a matter of strange things are happening 3497 02:32:34,430 --> 02:32:32,790 out there we have intelligently 3498 02:32:37,250 --> 02:32:34,440 controlled aircraft we don't know what 3499 02:32:40,551 --> 02:32:37,260 it is but that's all I think they know 3500 02:32:43,210 --> 02:32:40,561 there is a technology that is being way 3501 02:32:46,180 --> 02:32:43,220 beyond ours that is for some reason 3502 02:32:49,490 --> 02:32:46,190 monitoring us for their own reasons 3503 02:32:51,980 --> 02:32:49,500 they're monitoring us in in whatever way 3504 02:32:54,200 --> 02:32:51,990 we don't fully understand they've been 3505 02:32:57,020 --> 02:32:54,210 coming here I would say for at least 70 3506 02:32:59,420 --> 02:32:57,030 or so years maybe for a lot longer 3507 02:33:01,341 --> 02:32:59,430 that's possible - I don't know I'm an 3508 02:33:05,690 --> 02:33:01,351 agnostic on the ancient astronaut stuff 3509 02:33:07,610 --> 02:33:05,700 but the since 1947 I believe that there 3510 02:33:11,240 --> 02:33:07,620 has been a technology flying around our 3511 02:33:14,060 --> 02:33:11,250 skies that is not ours was not built in 3512 02:33:16,520 --> 02:33:14,070 Detroit was not built in Moscow it comes 3513 02:33:18,370 --> 02:33:16,530 from somewhere else it functions on a 3514 02:33:21,070 --> 02:33:18,380 completely non 3515 02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:21,080 human type of intelligence that makes it 3516 02:33:26,290 --> 02:33:23,930 very hard to predict and it also is self 3517 02:33:28,600 --> 02:33:26,300 concealing because it doesn't want to be 3518 02:33:30,010 --> 02:33:28,610 seen or know so a lot of times when 3519 02:33:31,360 --> 02:33:30,020 things are flying around here we don't 3520 02:33:33,760 --> 02:33:31,370 see them and we certainly don't capture 3521 02:33:35,410 --> 02:33:33,770 them on film or tape but I believe 3522 02:33:37,840 --> 02:33:35,420 they're here okay well this is the big 3523 02:33:40,450 --> 02:33:37,850 question right here do you think that 3524 02:33:44,200 --> 02:33:40,460 the government has been in contact with 3525 02:33:45,820 --> 02:33:44,210 the pilots of those UFOs or is it just a 3526 02:33:47,710 --> 02:33:45,830 matter of we know there's advanced 3527 02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:47,720 aircraft out there that's not ours or 3528 02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:50,720 not those of any country we know about 3529 02:33:56,380 --> 02:33:53,210 well first because I admit that no one 3530 02:33:58,570 --> 02:33:56,390 has all the answers it is possible the 3531 02:34:00,700 --> 02:33:58,580 government has been in contact I would 3532 02:34:04,330 --> 02:34:00,710 not say that that is out of the realm of 3533 02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:04,340 possibility but I strongly strongly 3534 02:34:10,120 --> 02:34:07,130 doubt it I think what you can do if you 3535 02:34:13,240 --> 02:34:10,130 look at the whole history of UFOs you 3536 02:34:16,740 --> 02:34:13,250 can see where so many things have been 3537 02:34:19,360 --> 02:34:16,750 sent forward has means of disinformation 3538 02:34:21,790 --> 02:34:19,370 you get people believing there's an 3539 02:34:23,740 --> 02:34:21,800 underground base and beneath Dulce New 3540 02:34:25,810 --> 02:34:23,750 Mexico of all places on the earth and 3541 02:34:28,870 --> 02:34:25,820 that they're having gun battles down 3542 02:34:30,670 --> 02:34:28,880 there with Air Force people or whatever 3543 02:34:32,320 --> 02:34:30,680 in shootin each other and there's 3544 02:34:33,820 --> 02:34:32,330 underground bases under all you know 3545 02:34:36,490 --> 02:34:33,830 under all the cities or whatever they're 3546 02:34:38,050 --> 02:34:36,500 saying absolutely I do not believe in 3547 02:34:40,480 --> 02:34:38,060 that I've been to Dulce three or four 3548 02:34:42,490 --> 02:34:40,490 times myself by the way I don't believe 3549 02:34:44,500 --> 02:34:42,500 it okay I think it started as 3550 02:34:46,660 --> 02:34:44,510 disinformation and then they allow very 3551 02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:46,670 gullible people like you know sort of 3552 02:34:51,460 --> 02:34:48,800 the Steven Greer's of the world to run 3553 02:34:53,260 --> 02:34:51,470 with it as much as they want and spread 3554 02:34:55,389 --> 02:34:53,270 it around and then people end up chasing 3555 02:34:57,340 --> 02:34:55,399 their tails and not really going after 3556 02:35:00,010 --> 02:34:57,350 the real thing do you think a lot of the 3557 02:35:04,380 --> 02:35:00,020 stuff that comes out that appears to 3558 02:35:07,389 --> 02:35:04,390 have significance here and is used to 3559 02:35:09,550 --> 02:35:07,399 initiate the request for disclosure that 3560 02:35:11,860 --> 02:35:09,560 stuff is really disinformation yeah I 3561 02:35:15,880 --> 02:35:11,870 think that a lot of it is and I think 3562 02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:15,890 that disclosure was much more likely 20 3563 02:35:20,350 --> 02:35:18,800 or 30 years ago when I think people were 3564 02:35:22,179 --> 02:35:20,360 all sort of sensing that well they've 3565 02:35:23,800 --> 02:35:22,189 been on the secret for long enough it's 3566 02:35:26,740 --> 02:35:23,810 only a matter of time till they come 3567 02:35:28,870 --> 02:35:26,750 forward but I think the secret was more 3568 02:35:30,940 --> 02:35:28,880 mysterious than we even realized it I 3569 02:35:32,439 --> 02:35:30,950 think they had less of the answers than 3570 02:35:35,409 --> 02:35:32,449 we ever 3571 02:35:38,679 --> 02:35:35,419 I think that's the big key to keeping 3572 02:35:41,349 --> 02:35:38,689 the secret is that they don't have the 3573 02:35:43,149 --> 02:35:41,359 answers that we assume they have we 3574 02:35:45,279 --> 02:35:43,159 assume if the CIA is involved or 3575 02:35:46,630 --> 02:35:45,289 somebody else's they know exactly what 3576 02:35:48,219 --> 02:35:46,640 these things are why they're here what 3577 02:35:49,869 --> 02:35:48,229 they're for what they're from but know 3578 02:35:52,210 --> 02:35:49,879 over the years I've come to really 3579 02:35:53,469 --> 02:35:52,220 believe that is not the case isn't it 3580 02:35:55,659 --> 02:35:53,479 worse though for them to come out and 3581 02:35:57,159 --> 02:35:55,669 say we don't know well that's probably 3582 02:35:58,750 --> 02:35:57,169 why they're not doing it you're 3583 02:36:00,699 --> 02:35:58,760 absolutely right that's why they're not 3584 02:36:02,979 --> 02:36:00,709 doing how could they say not only do we 3585 02:36:05,439 --> 02:36:02,989 not know but we can't do anything about 3586 02:36:07,630 --> 02:36:05,449 it they can you know take on the 3587 02:36:10,449 --> 02:36:07,640 greatest military in the known world and 3588 02:36:13,179 --> 02:36:10,459 crush us if they wanted to they 3589 02:36:14,409 --> 02:36:13,189 apparently don't want to but why would 3590 02:36:18,069 --> 02:36:14,419 you tell that to the world we're 3591 02:36:19,859 --> 02:36:18,079 helpless we're hopeless we're clueless I 3592 02:36:23,559 --> 02:36:19,869 don't think they would tell that before 3593 02:36:27,309 --> 02:36:23,569 well here's the thing I was suggesting a 3594 02:36:31,479 --> 02:36:27,319 couple of times in the show that if the 3595 02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:31,489 next day tomorrow any time President 3596 02:36:37,540 --> 02:36:33,770 Obama came out and said we're being 3597 02:36:41,229 --> 02:36:37,550 visited by unknown beings piloting 3598 02:36:44,260 --> 02:36:41,239 aircraft that's way beyond our 3599 02:36:46,929 --> 02:36:44,270 capabilities if he said anything like 3600 02:36:49,239 --> 02:36:46,939 that a lot of people would not just 3601 02:36:51,699 --> 02:36:49,249 ignore him but disbelieve him and think 3602 02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:51,709 maybe he's just hiding the Benghazi 3603 02:36:56,050 --> 02:36:54,800 scandal or the IRS scandal I'm sure 3604 02:36:57,939 --> 02:36:56,060 there would always be some people that 3605 02:37:00,189 --> 02:36:57,949 would do that but a lot of people would 3606 02:37:02,199 --> 02:37:00,199 believe him it's the president Senate I 3607 02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:02,209 mean I really do believe that there 3608 02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:03,680 would certainly be fringe people who 3609 02:37:07,479 --> 02:37:05,600 would say it's all a big lie and it's a 3610 02:37:09,099 --> 02:37:07,489 cover-up and it's all this and that but 3611 02:37:10,899 --> 02:37:09,109 if he really came forward and said we've 3612 02:37:13,689 --> 02:37:10,909 been visited and I'm letting the world 3613 02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:13,699 know here I think a great percentage of 3614 02:37:16,929 --> 02:37:15,770 people would believe that I really do 3615 02:37:18,250 --> 02:37:16,939 because I don't think they would think 3616 02:37:19,210 --> 02:37:18,260 the president would want to lie about 3617 02:37:21,729 --> 02:37:19,220 something like that 3618 02:37:24,010 --> 02:37:21,739 Tracy Torme telling our listeners is 3619 02:37:25,869 --> 02:37:24,020 there a place they can check online to 3620 02:37:28,029 --> 02:37:25,879 find more information about this movie 3621 02:37:32,229 --> 02:37:28,039 sure I guess like everybody these days 3622 02:37:36,969 --> 02:37:32,239 we have I guess a website called 701 and 3623 02:37:40,381 --> 02:37:36,979 the movie.com it says the number 701 the 3624 02:37:42,841 --> 02:37:40,391 movie dot-com and it's a pretty 3625 02:37:44,910 --> 02:37:42,851 it's increasingly comprehensive as we go 3626 02:37:47,131 --> 02:37:44,920 along so we're putting more into it if 3627 02:37:48,180 --> 02:37:47,141 you look you know a couple months ago it 3628 02:37:50,100 --> 02:37:48,190 wouldn't have been that much there 3629 02:37:51,631 --> 02:37:50,110 there's a little more now that kind of 3630 02:37:54,961 --> 02:37:51,641 tells you what where the film is going 3631 02:37:55,980 --> 02:37:54,971 and what to expect so yeah anybody that 3632 02:37:59,610 --> 02:37:55,990 would like to see it that's a great 3633 02:38:06,301 --> 02:37:59,620 place to look okay 7:01 the movie comm 3634 02:38:07,860 --> 02:38:06,311 enter it came up perfectly okay let me 3635 02:38:09,841 --> 02:38:07,870 tell our listeners you can find out more 3636 02:38:12,570 --> 02:38:09,851 about what we do if you're on Twitter 3637 02:38:14,820 --> 02:38:12,580 you can find us at the power cast that's 3638 02:38:17,341 --> 02:38:14,830 the power cast on Twitter we have a 3639 02:38:18,930 --> 02:38:17,351 power cast fan club on Facebook two of 3640 02:38:20,940 --> 02:38:18,940 them in fact and someday we'll figure 3641 02:38:23,730 --> 02:38:20,950 out how to make him into one you check 3642 02:38:26,970 --> 02:38:23,740 out our website at the power cast comm 3643 02:38:29,461 --> 02:38:26,980 and our forums and one more thing chris 3644 02:38:31,950 --> 02:38:29,471 has a site devoted to his new book 3645 02:38:34,440 --> 02:38:31,960 stalking the herd called stalking the 3646 02:38:36,990 --> 02:38:34,450 herd calm and go the stalking the her 3647 02:38:38,251 --> 02:38:37,000 calm place an order and Chris will 3648 02:38:38,820 --> 02:38:38,261 autograph the book for you how about 3649 02:38:40,680 --> 02:38:38,830 that 3650 02:38:52,071 --> 02:38:40,690 Tracy Torme thanks for joining us on the 3651 02:38:56,631 --> 02:38:54,831 the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg 3652 02:38:59,751 --> 02:38:56,641 and Christopher o'brien 3653 02:39:03,531 --> 02:38:59,761 is a copyrighted presentation of making 3654 02:39:07,521 --> 02:39:03,541 the impossible Incorporated tune in 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